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« Reply #15 on: August 19, 2002, 05:01:30 PM »
There were too many mistakes in this film - we laughed very often in the cinema - especially in the scenes where the japanese fighter was chasing the US fighter  -shooting all the time from short distance but didnt make a single hit.

It was like A-Team ;)

The love story was also extremely boring.

The greatest laughter in the cinema came, when the heros of the B25 wing came out of the hangar like in Armageddon or so.

The sad thing is that Hollywood made a ridiculous and stupid love-story film about a tragic event.

The old Tora Tora Tora film was much better than this new PH film.

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« Reply #16 on: August 19, 2002, 05:04:24 PM »
Re - Tora Tora Tora

The crash landing of the B17 was real.  During the filming, one of the bombers could not lower its right landing gear, so the producers rushed a crew to the airport, to film the bomber's crash landing.

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« Reply #17 on: August 19, 2002, 07:41:34 PM »
Juuuuuzus.. the errors?? too many to mention. Anybody notice those P40's were Warhawks insteda Tomahawks? How about all those BT-13 Vals? Those sure looked like Spruance Class DD's inteada Cruisers rafted out in the harbor.. ;)

The reality? Actually, there's more in there than you might think

the deal... my kid; after seeing the movie asked questions. I gave her the scoop..

Yes, Pearl Harbor happened.. pretty much like they showed it. We had an idea that it might happen, but word of a possible attack didn't 'offically' arrive till the attack was already under way.. Yes, the Japanese straffed sailors in the water, bombed the hospital, and essentialy destroyed the fleet at it's anchorage. Yes we got a few planes in the air, yes we shot a few down, but defensive air cover was essentially ineffective, and no; no american planes chased the japanese outta the anchorage.. no american pilot was permitted anywhere near the decimated fleet.. the Navy was shooting at ANYTHING flying by then... and the dogfight around the hangers was pure hollywood. Rousing and exciting, but purely entertainment.

Yes, a young black cook manned a shot out gun position, yes he downed an attacking plane and he was given a medal for it. Yes, the carnage and confusion was much as it was shown, and men fought and died not knowing why they were being attacked.

Yes, our sailors were still dying in those ships for days after the attack, yes, many hundreds perished trapped inside while rescuers tried feverishly to get to them..

Yes, Roosevelt got pissed and chewed out his cabniet, demanding an attack plan, yes, that bit of hollywood is true, he hauled his crippled carcass outta his wheel chair to make the point.

Yes, a sewer-pipe sailor came up with the counter-attack idea. Yes, he did pitch it to the president.

Yes, we did the incredible stunt of loading 16 B25's onto the USS Hornet.. Yes, they launched early, yes; they bombed tokyo; no, not in anything even remotely resembling a 'formation'.. all planes departed the carrier and went straight to their assigined targets, most of which were NOT Tokyo.

Yes, the crews were forced to crashland in the dark in china, most in japanese controlled territory. No.. there was no contact between the crews untill several days after they crashed... and 3 crews were captured, some executed on the spot. Of the 21 men captured, I believe only two survived till the end of the war. Not mentioned in the movie.. the japanese were so enraged by the support given to the downed pilots by the chinese that nearly a half MILLION chinese civilians were exterminated for it. Our increased 'american' morale had a very high price tag.

Yes, Doolittle did recieve the CMH for his role in the Raid.. and yes, he did say "I accept this on behalf of the men that earned it"

Yes, the movie was good in that it gave a new generation a glimpse of our past.. yes indeed; our young men and women volunteered by the hundreds of thousands to 'avenge pearl harbor', yes indeed your grandfathers were among them, and yes indeed they helped win that war. Your Granddads were both hero's, they deserve your respect and have earned the thanks of a grateful world.

*sigh*

If all it did was get my kid to ask questions about Gramps and about 'what was that war all about, daddy' then it was worth the price of admission.

So, if you yanked out the love story, and look at the basic facts.. the Eagle Squadron/BoB, the surprise attack itself, the planning sequence for the counter attack, the training for it, the medals wired to the bombs, the 'go now' decision to launch early, etc.. yes there was plenty of factual historical meat in that movie.

Just take it as it was intended.. it was a hollywood blockbuster to both make money and inspire patriotism.

They did both just fine.
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« Reply #18 on: August 19, 2002, 11:05:01 PM »
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Yes, Roosevelt got pissed and chewed out his cabniet, demanding an attack plan, yes, that bit of hollywood is true, he hauled his crippled carcass outta his wheel chair to make the point.


He always spoke in public on his feet, IIRC.

Patriotic blockbuster... LOL. It was crap... Independence Day, Armageddon type crap. Only thing missing was Aerosmith and Will Smith.
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« Reply #19 on: August 19, 2002, 11:49:14 PM »
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It was crap... Independence Day, Armageddon type crap.


Hey.. I don't disagree about the 'hollywood' toejam in the movie. All I'm sayin is that the canvas they painted on (and over) was a masterpiece of human drama, a political 'soap oprea' set on a world stage. Unlike the other movies you mention, the backdrop this fiction is painted on is history; not science fiction fantasy.

To folks like us, it's repugnant to mess with a real drama that of itself was requiring no embelishment.. to see it schlocked up hollywood style cheapens the memory of the real hero's of those storys. The only good thing that can be said of it is that if nothing else, it focused the attention of an otherwize unknowing and uncaring generation on a chapter of history worth remembering.

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Only thing missing was Aerosmith and Will Smith.


I wanna do Liv Tyler. Inna elevator. While daddy sings.

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« Reply #20 on: August 20, 2002, 08:45:44 AM »
When they're showing the Japanese attack and the planes are all being funnelled through the valley, there's no way that many planes could form up that tightly, what with all the prop wash and updrafts and downdrafts from the mountain walls.

The destroyers moored in the harbor have the wrong bows - those are the modern Ticonderoga class missile destroyers.

As far as I know, no Eagle squadron pilot flew at Pearl Harbor.

No fighter pilot would be allowed to fly a B-25 without multi-engine experience.

The airfield strafing scene during the Pearl Harbor attack - how many Zeroes missed a low-e P-40?  Yeah.

Still, sometimes you just have to let art flow over you, so by ignoring those inaccuracies, I was able to enjoy the film for what it was - a hokey love story that featured some pretty well-restored WW2 aircraft.

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« Reply #21 on: August 20, 2002, 09:26:27 AM »
Couldn't miss those Japanese angle decked super carriers with catapult rails... :rolleyes:
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« Reply #22 on: August 20, 2002, 09:47:06 AM »
I believe "only" about 50,000 chinese were executed as a consequence of Doolittle's raid, not 500,000.

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« Reply #23 on: August 20, 2002, 10:43:41 AM »
Just read the story of George Welch (4 confirmed kills at Pearl in a p-40b) He was strafed on takeoff on his second sortie,(he flew 3) and the zeke missed. His wingman Taylor was wounded on takeoff by a strafing zeke (that Welch killed soon after).

I guess "saddling up" is relative.

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« Reply #24 on: August 20, 2002, 01:54:39 PM »
the biggest one that got my panties in a bunch was during the a/c fite scene (after the head-on collision) the guy that played danny was flying with BOTH hands on the stick and was thowing that thing around like 2 feet side-to-side.  Oh well...  :D

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« Reply #25 on: August 20, 2002, 02:01:39 PM »
I saw through that awful movie just to see the attack scenes.  But when Ben Afleck told that other dude that "you can't out run a zeke you have to out manuver them"  I got up and left the movie.  I missed the whole Doolittle raid,  thankfully because I can't stand that hypocrite baldwin.

 The movie "touched" on some of the historical accuracies but it was a failure in my book....

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« Reply #26 on: August 20, 2002, 02:30:23 PM »
Wow, surprised no one has commented on the aircraft...

I did enjoy the air scenes - BoB ones especially - but the rest of the movie was crap... most of it anyway.

Anyone else notice the SpitV's and Spit IX's parked on the airfield?  Or the 109F's and G's that fought against these 1941 Spit IX's?  Hell - there was even a Spit XIV - that 5 bladed prop must have been a technical marvel during the BoB.  :D

Its too bad that Japs cant vulch or that .303's will literally cause an He-111 to EXPLODE... but whats a movie about Peral without a few zekes being shot down with a 12 guage?  :rolleyes:

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« Reply #27 on: August 20, 2002, 05:26:06 PM »
"especially in the scenes where the japanese fighter was chasing the US fighter -shooting all the time from short distance but didnt make a single hit."

The zero should post a ping-plot here.  Prolly lag of some sort!

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« Reply #28 on: August 20, 2002, 09:19:38 PM »
How many errors?......Only 2...it was made and then distributed.

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« Reply #29 on: August 21, 2002, 12:19:07 AM »
2

Where the nurse gets taken up in an airplane, then drops her knickers... and where somone would actually take the movie seriously


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