Pit Bulls

[midnight Target]

2 people in the last 2 days were mauled by Pit Bulls near my home. I know that there are no bad dogs, only bad owners and all that other crap, but I'm not buying it any more.
These animals are a menace. Sure some may be nice, but they are too dangerous to be kept as pets. Maybe have a special license for potential owners. You need a special permit to keep a mountain lion or any other exotic beast. I think the "American Stafordshire Terrier" belongs in a cage!

One of those 2 people was a 2 year old. Walking with his Grandmother. She was not strong enough to pull the dog off the boy. Some bites went through his skull and into his brain case.

[Sandman]

A product of irresponsible breeding. I think this breed should be put down and stamped out like the disease that it is.

[ra]

Petey from the Lil Rascals was a pit bull.  

It's almost always the dog not the owner.   I'll bet the owners of these dogs were punks using their dogs to make themselves look like badasses.  My neighborhood is full of such dirtbags.  Pitbulls and Rotweillers are their favorites.

Pitbulls are not bad dogs, but a lot of human scum have started buying them in the last 10 years or so.  Every decade has its 'killer dog', now it's the pit bull.  

Granted, a bad pit bull is worse than a bad collie.

ra:

[midnight Target]

No Petie was an American Bull Terrier... there is a big difference.

[Sandman]

No. Petey was a Bull Terrier. It's not the same thing as an American Staffordshire Terrier or Pit Bull.

[midnight Target]

Simo post!!

[Toad]

My sister-in-law had a Stafforshire. Nicest dog you'd ever want to meet. So dang friendly I thought he had the personality of a Lab.

Just tough to generalize, isn't it?

Now, the owners? Repsonsibility & Accountability? Kill the dog? What happens to the OWNER is my question.

Yep, this stuff is BAD, especially when little kids are involved.

"The Centers for Disease Control study dog bite incidents, including the types of dogs most likely to bite. The breeds that the CDC considers highest risk are pit bulls, Rottweilers, German shepherds, huskies, Alaskan malamutes, Doberman pinschers, chows, Great Danes, St. Bernards and Akitas.  


Owners of such dogs should be aware that if their dogs attack a person, the attacks may be scrutinized by law enforcement. The reason is that irresponsible behavior with or toward a dog whose breed is known to bite has caused a rising and unacceptable injury and death toll, which authorities are determined to stem."

(just put in "dog bite statistics breed CDC" you'll get more than you want to read)

So, what will they do to the owner? Is it better to exterminate an entire breed or just kick some serious owner *ss and work on the problem that way? Or both?

I sorta side with the dogs. It's usually people that are forked up.

[midnight Target]

A reasonable assesment Toad, but the reason the breed exists is due to short sighted people. Not the dogs fault, but they sure don't need to be around AFAIC.

Tendency to bite is only 1/2 the story. It is the ability to inflict fatal wounds that concerns me.

[Animal]

Have you ever dealt with a boxer or a bull terrier?

A pit bull has almost the exact same disposition as those two breeds. VERY OFTEN the people who breed pits raise them to be VERY violent, usually in the privacy of their home.

Some of the techniques:

when they are puppies, put them inside a room, put heavy music, turn the light on and off repeatedly while hitting it in the face with a broom to make him get aggressive. Do this every day.

after they have grown a bit and have stronger teeth, feed them raw meat, but before serving it, HIT THEM IN THE FACE VERY HARD WITH THE MEAT.

And other very humane techniques.

When you raise a dog this way, of course it will be a killer, no matter what breed. Worse, when you take these killers and breed them with each other, the puppies keep getting more vicious.

Truth is, pit bulls if raised like any other dog are very loving mutts, very good around children, playful... just like a boxer.

Pit Bulls are just unlucky that the amazinhunks chose them as their pets. If you kill all pit bulls, these amazinhunks will simply find another favorite breed and diddly them up too.

[Sandman]

Didn't they have a program to eradicate all American Pit Bulls in England?

[Toad]

Originally posted by Animal
If you kill all pit bulls, these amazinhunks will simply find another favorite breed and diddly them up too.

There ya go MT. Not exactly the way I might have phrased it but cuts to the chase very adequately!

Is the cause the breed or the trainer/owner?

Ability to inflict damage? Don't kid yourself.. that Lab of yours could inflict probably just as much damage and there are some Labs (thankfully few) that have done so.

Some dogs of any breed are unstable and need putting down.

I believe we could say the same about OUR BREED, eh? Homo Sapiens Derangus

[Toad]

I've recently seen this 10-year-old Lab crack a big old beef shinbone in his jaws and have the time of his life chomping it up.

Any dog can do damage. I believe Charlie could remove my hand at the wrist with one good "clomp" if he ever chose too.

(Fortunately, this he's a big old Teddy Bear with everyone. He might lick ya to death but that's the worst he'll do. We don't call him "The World's Happest Lab" for nothing ya know!)

[Sandman]

Certainly... any large dog can inflict a huge amount of damage on a human. It's not about capability. It's about temperment.

The pit bull is a warrior breed. It serves absolutely no useful purpose in a modern society.

EDIT: When I grew up, we had Border Collies... we lived in the country and the dogs helped with livestock. You can bet your bellybutton that these dogs would bite. They instinctively protected the herd. They were fiercely protective of everyone in the family. It's just not quite the same as a fighting dog.

[lord dolf vader]

i have had a 100 lb + american rottweiler for almost 6 years. best dog i have ever had. only things hes attacked in all that time are a Pit Bull ( who knows the type just ugly) and a jack russle .the pit bull he got by the neck and just held for me. pitt was angry but didnt have the skin to get a piece of him.(or his teeth were in its neck meat) the jack russle bugged him for three days till he bit it on the bellybutton and walked around the yard beating its head aginst various things it lived and is still just as obnoxious in contrast a lab almost killed the same dog . both had a single bite with four punctures. and both instigated.  hes never been abused (you dont strike them it offends them) knows about 17 tricks (roll over and play dead when you go bang bang being his best). and i will go in morning when he dies. after i will get another just like him if im lucky.

his name is lord dolf vader

[Animal]

Sandman, no, you are wrong.

The Pit Bull is not a naturally aggressive breed. It LOOKS aggressive, and it has the potential to do damage (like any other breed with such a big jaw) but it is naturally a very peaceful and loving breed.

Just like the Doberman, the Bull Terrier, the Boxer, so on.

They are misunderstood breeds, and maybe thats why I like them.
I grew up around boxers, and they were the most playful loving breed I have ever experienced. I also owned two pit bulls. They were the most loving of all. My 3 year old nephew used to ride one of them like a horse, and all the dog did was stand there with his tongue sticking out like a tard, and when he was finally too tired, he just collapsed on the floor and rolled around playfully.

The other pit bull was also a character. Loved jumping into the pool in hot days. All he did was sit around enjoying the tropical breeze, and if any person came around, he just raised his paw so that you would shake his hand.

They never, ever bit, or even growled at anyone. I am sure with proper training they would have made great guard dogs, but we didnt even bother with that. If any thief broke in, they would have probably welcomed him. They were tards.

I have owned a beagle who bit ocassionally, a dalmatian who simply could not learn any discipline, and a chihuahua, wich was a real biter.

If you want a pit bull to be aggressive, you have to either train him to be that way, or just be abusive to it.