The B24 Liberator!!

[Karnak]

brady,

You forgot the SBD-5.

I'd count the Boston as British.

Bombers:

USA:
A-20G
B-17G
B-26B
SBD-5
TBM-3

UK:
Boston Mk III
Lancaster Mk III

Japan:
D3A1
Ki-67

Germany:
Ju88A-4

USSR:
Il-2 Type 3

Italy:
-

I don't count the C-47 as it isn't really a bomber and I don't count the Ar234B because it is perked as well as being broken and useless with the new bombing system.

[hyena426]

well,,one thing nod you got wrong,,,b24 liberator is faster than a b17,,,bigger motors,,had 14clinders compared to the b17s 12,,,,,i beleve,,i know it had better motors thats for sure,,,not as much firepower,,but alot,,,10,,50cals,,,and lots of people who flew them,,said it was a damn good plane,,,and i aint a bomber buff,,but,,allies had more bombers than anyone,,so of cource your going to run in too the proublem of them having too many planes that are usa built,,or british,,because we had most of the bombers anyways,,besides russians il2,,,,,i heard they got trashed in them things in the air anyways,,lol,,,,but its funny,,how i just metioned this plane,,and everyone got in a uproar,,,its popular plane,,i never seen it in a ww2 sim,,and it should be in one,,because it was mass produced,,and used alot,,and there not that crammed nod,,i been inside one once while it was on the ground,,,from the collins foundation,,had just about the same room as a b17,,,but,,,didnt have a ball turret in the way,,lol,,,,,but one fact,,it was faster than 17,,, ,,,only like 1 mile hour faster,,but it was,,lol,,big bomb load too,,,,,,,, ,,,and it wouldnt hurt a thing to have it in a ww2 sim,,like it should be,,,,,,,my self,,i been wanting the stuka,,and he111,,,,he111 should of been here just as much as ju88,,but fact is,,,b17,,,b24 liberators,,,b29,, were americas big boy bombers,,and used a lot,, 3 main line bombers,,,and if they want a full complement of planes,,,should be in there,,plain and simple

[hyena426]

i understand your point of usa having too many bombers,,but the fact is,,they had alot of great bombers,,we were good at building them

[brady]

Karnak ty you are right, good point on the Ar 234, sad realy about that plane.

 hyena426, you touched a nearve people have been on the rampage since AH begain about what planes to add and why one is more deserving than the other and I suspect they always will be. Personaly I view it as a matter of fairnes and it is my second biggest pet peave about AH, that is lopsided plane modeling favoring the USA.

    But it is a very fun game, and I do enjoy it.

[hyena426]

well,,bad thing about fairness,,is war wasnt fair,,,,thats why americans had so many bombers and planes,,, but,,fact is,,americans biggest best bombers,,were b17,,b24,,and {b29,that i dout we will see soon,,it was too good for its time},,and it would be un touchible in this game,,,,,,but i dont understand getting riled up about it,,,its a popular plane in ww2,,,just not popular plane for the masses now days,,because it didnt look as good as a b17,,,lol,,sure we mite not need it,,but does that mean we should neglect having it just because it aint popular with some people?,,who never even flown one ..,.or gunned in one,,,heck from what i read,,,b24 pilots loved there b24s,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,and there again,,i would rather see othere planes in too,,but in realty of all american bombers it should be there

[BenDover]

hyena, stop being pushy!

The way this is going, you WILL eventurly get the b24, most likly before a German or Italian bomber

And is it just me, or do most WW2 flight sims seem to depict WW2 as USAF vs LW?

Here's some figures, did it a while ago so i'm not sure if its accurate or not:

LW:17
USA: 25

[whgates3]

...just now reading "i flew for the furhur" by 52 kill kraut ace heinz knoke.  he was in action a lot against the big US daylight strategic bombing camaign of '43 - '45 in a 109g. he flew out of NW fatherland & holland.  most of his kills against Liberators were made on the 1st pass. against B-17s, unless he put 30mm or 20mm stuff into the cockpit he almost always had to make at least a 2nd pass...also interesting from this book: the early 109g models had a habit of spontaneously combusting in flight.

[NOD2000]

i'm talking down at deck level............ full speed ahead........... goin as fast as that thing can...............the 17 is faster that way plus the 17 carried more ammo.......

[BenDover]

|Cty| F | B | V | Bt|Tot| %   |
|US |15| 7 | 6 | 1 | 29 | 41%|
|LW|13| 2 | 2 | 0 | 17 | 24%|
|RAF|11| 1 | 0| 0 | 12 | 16%|
|Jap | 4 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 6 | 8% |
|Rus | 4 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 5 | 7% |
|Ital | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 3% |

Out of 71 planes, nearly half of them are american, don't ya think its time we got some planes on the lower half of the table?


btw, yes i know it only adds up to 99% It's like that because I rounded it off

[Otto]

"Out of 71 planes, nearly half of them are american, don't ya think its time we got some planes on the lower half of the table?


No.

[hyena426]

not being pushy at all,,im going at this the right way,,,and i havent raized my voice once,,,lol,,,,and plus,,i just asked,,were is the liberator,,out of american bombers,,it should be here with the b17 right?,,,,just like germans should have,,he111,,and stuka,,,2 othere importaint left out planes,,, ,,that are neglected,,tons and tons of il2s were shot down,,,,,and we all know,,the weakest bomber in here,,are the ju88,,and lancaster,,,,and usa lost tons of duantless dive bomber,,but there still in here,,,i would bet the firepower of a liberator is much better then both them planes put together,,,,,,add more greman and russian planes, but that doesnt change missing a good plane,,,,there are tons of fighters in this game,,,and most of the main line fighters are here allready,,,why not this one main line bomber?,,,,like i said,,and everyone knows,,im not a bomber pilot,,but,,,i do fly them once and a while,,and i bet it would be a better plane than most think,,,its funny how this thread took off,,when most planes that are on here dont get put on anyways,,lol,,, this aint my fav plane at all,,but,,,,,,,why get upset,,at some one saying we are missing a bomber that was importaint and used alot?,,,,like the oscar,,,its missing too,,and its a fighter,,,,,why cant we have every main line plane in this game sooner or later?,,,,germans need a few more,,and so does othere countries,,,but if they put in liberator,,they would be done,,and wouldnt have to come back and stick one in at a late time,,,,,,  can anyone say,,it dont belong in this game?,,,it should,,because it was in ww2,,it was used just as much as any othere plane,,maybe more

[brady]

You know for a whileI was quiet ticked about the whole plane modeling choice thing then I had a moment of divine understanding, and a wave of calm came apone me: They wille of modeled every US plane prety soon and will have nothing left to model but planes from other countries:) This is not a war game it is a flight sim after all, and the player base is largly ethnocentric( it must be other wise they would have half the planes as US)

 The only real problem in having half the Planes US is in the CT( makes it hard to do set up's this way), In the sea and in the new mishion theater, or wait they are doing a 44 8th air force theather how fun:)( they have to they dont have enough planes from any other theater do anything else.)

 DOn't get me wrong I do want some more US plane's instead of a B 24 why not a:

 Hawk 75: In French collor's

 Early P 38: good for Pac set up's

 Buffalow: many uses

 Coranado: Great game adation( rather have an Emily but we are ethnocentric)

[whgates3]

US planes saw wider use in WWII than the planes of any other nation.
US planes were used by a greater number of air forces than the planes of any other nation.
although i'm not sure about it, i would highly suspect the US produced more planes than any other nation.
i think this may explain the high fraction of US planes in any WWII flight sim...
..
...on another note, the Russian movie "Come & See" has some actual footage of the FW 189 in flight - somewhat of a rarity, i would expect

[hyena426]

usa,,had lots more planes,,because it had to fight 2 wars,,,,europe,,and pacific,,,,,and it was the biggest producer of all countries,,,in boats,,,tanks and planes,,even know the tanks were weak,,and called ronson tanks,,because the would light up like a ronson lighter when hit by a shell,,lol,,,but usa over whelmed them with numbers,,so they will have a lot of planes,,because of so many wars,,,i wont argu about a plane anymore that was a main line plane,,and should be in here,,im sure everyone wants somthing diffrent,,,,this plane aint even my fav,,me163 will be cool,,but they only made 300 of them,,,and 19,000 liberators,,and the lib doesnt deserve to be in here?,,,well,i think it should,,even know im not a bomber buff,,,me163 would be cool to fly,,,40,000 feet right off the run way,,strait up i beleve,,maybe less,,still be a fast ride

[XNachoX]

Hyena is your period key broken?  Or are you using the , key for some reason?  I just finished reading The Wild Blue and now I want a B-24 more than ever .