Author Topic: Ta152 is porked (Read 1225 times)

Kweassa · « **Reply #30 on:** August 30, 2002, 04:02:18 PM »

Thank you Mister Fork.

Your decription on balancing the hp and the torque explains a lot!

Wilbus · « **Reply #31 on:** August 30, 2002, 08:02:32 PM »

Yes Thank you Mister Fork! Nice info for sure

One thing though... this...

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Seriously, Wilbus and Heinkelv - why don't both of you sent to Dale or Doug what is wrong and how they should fix it?

Upsets me some. I have, since the TA152 got out posted evidence, charts, combat reports, test pilot reports, RLM reports etc all over this Board, in both the aircraft and general forum. I have sent Pyro a personal E-mail and what have I recieved back? Nothing, zip, zero, squat, jack S***.

Search the forums for the Ta152 and you'll see what proof and charts I have posted. The Ta152 is my favorite plane, I've studied it quite a bit and I don't go out and whine about it without proof.

What you said, about me sending Pyro/Hitech some proof of it, I have been told numerous of times. And I have done it numerous of times, just ask the guys that have been around as long as I have.

I am getting tired of being told "send it to HTC" etc, they obviously don't care, and yet I keep trying, for what use I don't know but I'll keep trying.

No offence ment to you Mister Fork, haven't seen you much on this board but for what I've read you seem to be a nice guy, and your last post confirms this. Please though, don't tell me to send it to HTC, that goes for everybody on the board and in AH.

~~Mister Fork, I hope your post might help HTC fix it if they care, which I now a days doubt they do.~~

Mister Fork · « **Reply #32 on:** August 31, 2002, 12:51:30 AM »

I'm not sure if they are taking this posting seriously. Maybe if we all sign an online petition they would take a look at it?

Guess you could call it "The boy who cried Wolf" syndrome.

But seeing how they operate, they may consider 152 a back-burner while they work on other important issues, like bringing the STUKA to HTC.

BTW Wilbus, I've been playing AH since Beta 1.0.

Wilbus · « **Reply #33 on:** August 31, 2002, 02:22:00 AM »

My appologise Mister Fork, 55 post made me think you were new, and I haven't seen you're name online for what I can remember now.

What is your online name?

Ps. how can the NOT take posting and proof, charts and data from several different persons serious? That's as bad as just ignoring it.

lord dolf vader · « **Reply #34 on:** August 31, 2002, 05:21:29 AM »

who wants to go dig up the long thread about the d9 being badly porked. with evedence including detailed report on what was wrong by a reference by some dude named Kurt Tank. and hitech asking what a basic proformance term was. that was a hoot.
face it every german plane in this "game" has been under modeled who knows why. and has a thread with good evedence on what is wrong they just ignor it . play or dont is their attitude what can you do? nothing. they aint interested chearleaders will lable you a whiner and then another flame fest.

had luftwaff ever won any historic frame in this game at all ?
not that im aware of. deck is just stacked.

Wilbus · « **Reply #35 on:** August 31, 2002, 06:21:35 AM »

LW has won quite some hitoric setups, I've been in many of them my self. But it's often a matter of pilot quality and good tactics rather then good planes.

sling322 · « **Reply #36 on:** August 31, 2002, 10:18:41 AM »

Sheesh......

Have you ever considered that maybe its the way you are asking for these things? A lot of the LW contingent in this game seem to adopt the attitude that they are always picked on and never have their planes modelled correctly. This attitude is rediculous in my opinion.

I dont claim to know what data HTC uses to model planes by. I would assume that they are modelled according to official test data rather than propaganda data published by some country who was trying to make their stuff look better.

I know that every time I read one of these threads and see stuff like this:

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I am getting tired of being told "send it to HTC" etc, they obviously don't care, and yet I keep trying, for what use I don't know but I'll keep trying.

It gives me the image of a little kid crying just to see if he gets any attention even though he has nothing to cry about.

Heinkel · « **Reply #37 on:** August 31, 2002, 10:22:10 AM »

All data could be considered "propaganda". Germany's data could be inflated to make it look like a better and more faster plane, but who is to say the US/Aliied countrys data is 100% correct? For propaganda reasons US/Allied contrys could make the data worse than it really is.

If I saw data on a German plane from US, Germany, and a Nuetral country, I would take the data from the nuetral country the most seriously.

And I really dont believe the Germans inflated their data. All their aircraft data was mostly kept to them. It wasn't like they were running around Russia, saying they have a plane that can go 471 MPH. When all you can fool is yourself? why would you do it?

Wilbus · « **Reply #38 on:** August 31, 2002, 10:25:57 AM »

Sling, you obviously have not clue WHAT SO EVER what we are talking about, nor have you read any threads in the past about any kind of these things.

When I am told, 20 times, to send the info to HT, when I already have sent it and posted it 20 times, it gets quite tiredsome to hear someone who knows nothing tell me "Send the data to HTC and I am sure they'll fix it".

Might not want to speak so fast next time without knowing all the facts.

sling322 · « **Reply #39 on:** August 31, 2002, 12:32:46 PM »

Actually Wilbus I have read alot of these threads....over and over and over.

All I am saying is that maybe you should re-think about the way you ask for things. I know if it was me making the decisions about how to model aircraft or which ones might be wrong and how to fix them, I certainly wouldnt put much stock in the complaints that always come in with the same "woe is me" tone to them. It almost sounds like you are trying to make a martyr of yourself.

Try presenting them in a clear, concise, non-confrontational way instead of putting disclaimers in them like this: "they obviously don't care, and yet I keep trying, for what use I don't know but I'll keep trying." It only weakens your position and makes the powers that be want to help you less.

Wilbus · « **Reply #40 on:** August 31, 2002, 12:37:41 PM »

After about 20 threads of clear evidence, posted in a nice and gentle way, asking for it to be fixed, asking in a nice way, and nothing happens, not even an answer, one gets a bit anoyed. And I do think they don't care. I used to think they did care but not anymore. This is the first time I've said it so where ya get "all this" I don't know.

sling322 · « **Reply #41 on:** August 31, 2002, 12:46:23 PM »

Sure....just like your initial post and title of this thread was gentle and nice, eh?

Mister Fork · « **Reply #42 on:** August 31, 2002, 12:57:11 PM »

Alright alright. Before we start slinging mud, I have a plan.

These guys are soo busy on larger issues (such as creating better maps and updaes), I'd be more than willing to fix the planes myself. But I don't work for HTC and I'm sure they wouldn't let me within 10 feet of their code.

A couple of things need to be done. As a LW pilot experiencing the same pains, I think we need to be more diplomatic.

Perhaps a bribe is in order like the one that got the P-38 fixed? I'm thinking Yankee and Ronnie need a day spa, and Dale -n-Doug, need a nice bottle of scotch. I hate to think that we need to bride the staff to get stuff done, but the way we complain about it doesn't get them interested in fixing it.

Ps. Wilbus - my handle used to be Vruth.

Wilbus · « **Reply #43 on:** August 31, 2002, 03:07:16 PM »

Rgr, remeber hearing that Handle I believe

Sling, no, this post wasn't gentle but it is the thruth. Like I said, have done enough nice and gentle posts.

Montezuma · « **Reply #44 on:** August 31, 2002, 04:11:33 PM »

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Originally posted by Wilbus

Sling, no, this post wasn't gentle but it is the thruth. Like I said, have done enough nice and gentle posts.

I suggest you start insulting Pyro, maybe that will make him change it.