Author Topic: German Bombers (Read 1409 times)

Tilt · « **Reply #45 on:** August 28, 2002, 09:13:22 AM »

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Originally posted by whgates3
19 squadon Spit Mk. 1b - isn't this thread supposed to be about luftwaffe bombers?

The cannons repeatedly jammed........ I dont mean occasionally....... I mean repeatedly...mission after mission........by early Sept. 19Squad had begged some battered Mk1a's to use instead of the 1.b's..............

Bader was so horrified by the troubles 19 squadron had (his 242 was based at the same field) that he resisted the use of cannon until there were simply no more m/c equipped AC available.

The MkIIa Spit did not see service in the BOB......it entered active front line duty later than mid September 40 by which time Sea Lion was "postponed indefinately" and the LW attacks turned form the BoB to the "Blitz".

Viper17 · « **Reply #46 on:** August 28, 2002, 01:43:00 PM »

hyena426 · « **Reply #47 on:** August 28, 2002, 02:01:08 PM »

well nod,,every plane casn carry over its limit,,,thats why you see,,longer the war lasted,,more bombs planes could carry,,,,a b17 in a ww2 sim carries 6,000,,in bomb load,,,strip it down and ya,,it proubly would carry more,,i know i heard of them carring more,,im sure lots of planes have,,but it was made for 6,000,,which you need to relize 6,000lb of bombs aint no joke,,lol,,and in real life,,to kill a hanger,,would only take about a 100lb bomb,,lol,,there are some huge ww2 hangers not far from me,,and you can tell they aint built to take bomb hits,,heck a grenade would proubly take it out allmost,,lol,,,the he111,,could carry lots of stuff too,,and i seen both planes side by side in the confederate air force,,even talked to the pilot of both planes,,the hinkle has less motors,,,but it did have a 20mm cannon,,and 4 ,,7.92,,,and launchable v1 rockets,,and radio guided missles,,,that they used against ships,,,and a 115mm cannon under its belly instead of bomb load you could add,,,,could you imagine that fun?,,lol,,,,no matter what,,you can all say somthing bad about it,,but it was a really good plane,,,and one of the most produced greman bombers made,,,any reason it shouldnt be in here?,,,any ww2 mass produce planes should be in here,,lol

Wotan · « **Reply #48 on:** August 28, 2002, 02:59:59 PM »

tilt is correct and I believe 19 squadron only had half a dozen or so of ib's.

hazed- · « **Reply #49 on:** August 28, 2002, 03:01:33 PM »

no doubt about it the LW NEED a later version of ju88s OR a totally new type like he177,ju-188,do 217 etc

for long enough we've had to suffer the early war version in CT/MA special events etc.

surely we deserve to get something with half decent defensive fire by now?

whgates3 · « **Reply #50 on:** August 28, 2002, 05:42:15 PM »

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no doubt about it the LW NEED a later version of ju88s OR a totally new type like he177,ju-188,do 217 etc

...of the above mentioned A/C, did any have decent defensive firepower? everything i've read indicates that on all of those planes the majority of the guns were 7.92mm type...not so for the Ju 290 - defensive armament was 7 x 20mm + 1 x 13m. ceiling was only 6000m, though...

BenDover · « **Reply #51 on:** August 28, 2002, 06:01:13 PM »

thats about 20,000 feet though, how many bombers do you see at 30k?

brady · « **Reply #52 on:** August 28, 2002, 06:37:44 PM »

The JU 188, had one MG 151/20 cannon, one MG 131 and one MG 81Z, this vaired some what of course the anti shiping Varients had the 20mm in the nose and the normal bomber varients had it in the Dorsal turet.

The He 177, had one MG 81,two MG 151/20, MG 81, and three MG 131. The MG 151 were in the tail and nose, all three MG 131 were in dorsal turets, and the single MG 81 was in the nose as well, the MG 81Z was in the rear facing Ventrail tray.

Very few JU 290's say service, very few.

Snoopy22 · « **Reply #53 on:** August 28, 2002, 06:44:20 PM »

Cajun, the Gloster Gladiator saw most success in the colonies of the British Empire and was the only real form of defence at the start of the Seige of Malta, some believe the island of Malta was more heavily bombed than Berlin was throughout the entire war. If you've never heard of the island of Malta it controlled the shipping lanes of the Mediterranian and from here troop convoys and other military hardware could be intercepted as it travelled to North Africa to aid the German war machine. Back to Luftwaffe bombers, I'd like to see a He111 and especially a Ju87.

cajun · « **Reply #54 on:** August 28, 2002, 09:30:50 PM »

Yeah snoopy, I read all about that

I allso found though it went out of service with the RAF in 42-43 it was still in service in Sweeden untill 1947!
Btw... I was reading in Q/A forums and HT said we will definitly get a stuka!... don't know when though...

whgates3 · « **Reply #55 on:** August 29, 2002, 02:17:33 AM »

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Very few JU 290's say service, very few.[/B]

Ja, only 65 built, but there were less than 300 Ar 234s built, why not lower the bar a bit - Ju 290 was a troop transport as well & thus could be multi functional, with mixed loads one might even be able to finish off a field & capture it in the same sortie...admittedly the he177,ju-188,do 217 are more deserving, but possibly less interesting, just mentioned the Ju290 because someone was asking for good defensive armament

hyena426 · « **Reply #56 on:** August 29, 2002, 03:48:55 AM »

Armament: (P-2) 7.92mm Rheinmetall MG 15 machine gun on manual mountings in nosecap, open dorsal position and ventral gondola; (H-3) same, plus fixed forward-firing MG 15 or 17, two MG 15's in waist windows and (usually) 20mm MG FF cannon in front of ventral gondola and (sometimes) fixed rear-firing MG 17 in extreme tail; internal bomb load up to 2,000kg in vertical cells, stored nose-up; external bomb load (at expense of internal) one 2,000kg on H-3 or two 500kg on others; later marks carried one or two 765kg torpedoes, Bv 246 glide missiles, Hs 293 rocket missiles, Fritz X radio-controlled glide bombs or one FZG-76 (V-1) cruise missile
Speed: maximum speed (H-3) 415km/h; (P-2) 390km/h at 5,000m (at maximum weight neither version could exceed 330km/h
Climb: climb to 4,500m 30-35min at normal gross weight, 50min at maximum
Ceiling: service ceiling (both) around 7,800m at normal gross weight, under 5,000m at maximum
Range: range with maximum bomb load (both) about 1,200km
Weight: empty (H-3) 7,720kg; (P-2) 8,000kg; maximum loaded (H-3) 14,000kg; (P-2) 13,500kg
Wingspan: (H-3) 22.6m
Length: (H-3) 16.4m
Height: (H-3) 4m
Crew: five/six
History: first flight (He 111V1 prototype) 24 February 1935; (pre-production He 111B-0) August 1936; (production He 111B-1) 30 October 1936; (first He 111E series) January 1938; (first production He 111P-1) December 1938; (He 111H-1) January or February 1939; final delivery (He 111H-23) October 1944; (Spanish C.2111) late 1956
Users: China, Germany (Luftwaffe, Lufthansa), Hungary, Iraq, Romania, Spain, Turkey and this is the he 111 model Heinkel He 111B, E, H, ,,most did have a 20mm out the front

brady · « **Reply #57 on:** August 29, 2002, 04:06:32 AM »

Well JU 290's were not used as bombers to much, more Long rang ocean patroll, It was the exception rahter than the rule that it actually Bombed land targets, I think this might be the only argument aganst it compared to the He 177, that is to say the He 177 would fit into more CT and CM set up's than a JU 290, simply based on usage(historicaly). O and the He 177 was stressed for shallow angle dive atacks.

CBFASI · « **Reply #58 on:** August 29, 2002, 05:06:12 PM »

I like the idea of the Ju52.

It seems many are forgetting the Ju52 was a Medium Bomber, ad bad one but a medium bomber.

Just think Ju52 flying in area, does it have paras or bombs?

Ok it only has a maximum load of 500kg (and I think its 10x50kg) but that could really annoy someone...

The Ju52 would givew the axis side a transport ideal for special scnearios, such as crete where the axis forces used hundreds and the British tried to stop them (in fact stopped a lot of them)

Just think trying to escort that....

Also what on earth is a tabby, whats it real name.....

BenDover · « **Reply #59 on:** August 29, 2002, 05:24:25 PM »

a tabby is a kittie;)