Author Topic: Another one for the books! (Read 1854 times)

OZkansas · « **Reply #60 on:** August 28, 2002, 09:40:55 AM »

If you don't take the drug test you are assumed to be a drug user. If you take the test and pass you are assumed to be a non drug user. Hmmmmmmm, isn't this profiling? I thought profiling wasn't allowed in government?

I think what this is all about is to show that the board of education is "doing something". It's all about making the board feel good about themselves and the public is being fooled by their actions.

Samm · « **Reply #61 on:** August 28, 2002, 09:50:52 AM »

If there is a more worthy cause to fight for than freedom I don't know what it is . Some people think that surrendering your rights is part of growing up . I say die on your feet .

Better dead than red .

Eagler · « **Reply #62 on:** August 28, 2002, 10:09:57 AM »

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Originally posted by Samm
If there is a more worthy cause to fight for than freedom I don't know what it is . Some people think that surrendering your rights is part of growing up . I say die on your feet .

Better dead than red .

choose ur battles

pissing in a cup ain't nothing to die over in my book

then again, I ain't got nothing to hide - well nothing that they'll get out of that cup anyway

Samm · « **Reply #63 on:** August 28, 2002, 10:10:09 AM »

Something to inspire you . http://www.survival.com.mx/gunrack/heston.html

You've probably read it allready, but maybe you need to again .

Samm · « **Reply #64 on:** August 28, 2002, 10:19:21 AM »

I've had to submit to urine drug test for over a decade now . But unlike texace's situation none of my basic liberties are threatened should I ever choose not to, the day that they are is the day I refuse .

Elfenwolf · « **Reply #65 on:** August 28, 2002, 10:57:28 AM »

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Originally posted by Octavius
Never said you'd HAVE to sign the waiver

But even now with the prison status of schools in my town, students still leave and return at their leisure. I sure wouldn't want to see law enforcement keeping MY kids at a public school... I'd give them a little more credit than that. Looking at it that way, maybe you could say the lack of trust is a failure at parenthood?

It's not a matter of "trust." FYI I DO trust my child enough that she drives her own car to and from school less than a mile away. If she were required to undergo drug testing to compete in volleyball I would hope she realizes volleyball is a privelege that requires the waiver of her right to privacy. Likewise texace should realize leaving campus is a privelage earned by sacrificing a right to privacy. He's being given a choice and there's no punishment being levied against him for refusing to take a drug yest.

Samm, how in the hell is YOU taking a drug test for a condition of employment different than texace having to take a drug test? You really think random employee drug testing isn't a violation of your rights, yet you're urging texace to refuse to take a drug test? LOL You're a hypocrite.

jonnyb · « **Reply #66 on:** August 28, 2002, 11:02:09 AM »

The point here is that texace IS still a minor. From his original post, "I'm ALMOST 18".

Another good point is that leaving campus is a privilege, not a right. Like all other privileges, you must earn the right to take advantage of them. Driving a car is a privilege, not a right. You had to take exams to get your license. That license enables you to drive. Abuse that privilege, and the license will be taken away. Being asked to pee in a cup so that you may earn the privilege of leaving campus is not infringing in any way on any of your rights.

OZkansas · « **Reply #67 on:** August 28, 2002, 11:14:18 AM »

Why is public education getting involved in law enforcement? Drug testing in schools is just plain wrong. Public schools are not part of law enforcement! Public school is mandated. Employment isn't. So don't compare apples and oranges.

Samm · « **Reply #68 on:** August 28, 2002, 11:16:45 AM »

Freedom to leave a public premises is not a privledge. I do it all the time . Let someone tell me that I have to pee in a cup If I want to leave someplace .

Samm · « **Reply #69 on:** August 28, 2002, 11:20:24 AM »

texace give them your cherished piss so that you will have a PRO card to burn at the PRO card burning .

jonnyb · « **Reply #70 on:** August 28, 2002, 11:22:37 AM »

Random drug testing in the workplace is a touchy subject. However, it certainly is not infringing upon your basic liberties. You don't want to take a test, you don't have to. That is your choice. However, the consequences may be that you lose your job as result.

When you are working for an employer, you have made a contract between yourself and them. Your end of the bargain is that you will perform your duties to the best of your abilities. Your employer's side of things is that you will be compensated for your efforts. If you are unable to perform those duties due to any fatcors, you become a liability to your employer. Employers will be up front with you from the get go. They will tell you about their drug testing policies. If you don't like them, you don't work for that employer. Again, not once have your liberties been infringed upon.

Amazing how we talk about "liberties". I spent 4 years of my life defending the very freedom that allows us to continue enjoying these liberties. I have also been to places where those liberties are ruthlessly denied. The point is we have the freedom of choice. Choose to take your drug test, or choose not to take it. If it is forced at you, then you may make your stand.

Semper Fi.

Eagler · « **Reply #71 on:** August 28, 2002, 12:18:31 PM »

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Originally posted by OZkansas
Why is public education getting involved in law enforcement? Drug testing in schools is just plain wrong. Public schools are not part of law enforcement! Public school is mandated. Employment isn't. So don't compare apples and oranges.

huh?

They are just upholding the law. Guess we should do away with metal detectors at our inner city schools too. Look at the "freedoms" those things take away ....

I'd go a step further, if they failed the drug test, they'd be expelled from school until they tested clean. But I'm a hard bellybutton

An education IS a privilege, just don't realize it until you get much older & your head out of ur arse.

If we took a poll, my guess would be the kids under 25 and the druggies (of all ages) are about the only ones with an issue over this silly rule.

texace · « **Reply #72 on:** August 28, 2002, 12:18:40 PM »

Guys, guys, please. You are reading me wrong. It's not the fact that I cannot get one...it's the fact my PARENTS will not let me. My dad has been fighting the school ever since I got here 4 years ago about this program, as they have been doing this as a front to make themselves feel better while they dropped the more expensive but more succesful DARE program.

I have a job...I have taken a drug test, and I am not against taking them if I had to. This I was mentioning is that I should not HAVE to take one just to get this one privlidge. Yeah, I know I have to earn privlidges...but I've been going to this school since kindergarten, that means this is my 13th year. I guess I still haven't earned it.

And no...I do not and have not taken drugs...try as you might to accuse me. I ahve taken several drug tests in the course of my work, and they come back clean. Trust me...I would have a card if my parents would let me. Be it I'm not 18...I can't get one myself...and that's because they, as well as myself, do not believe the school should handle the drug testing. If they would let us go to a clinic, then I could...but they handle it on the grounds.

Perhaps I should have not brought this up...I'm spending too much time defending myself while pointing out flaws in the system. Jeez...can't carry on a simple conversation without bashing. In my mind...I earned the privlidge...I shouldn't have to proev to them that I won't go smoke a bowl.

Another thing...the PRO Card says they will have random drug testing...but in the 4 years I've been here...there never has been a random test...it's something they tell you to keep you from doing drugs.

*sigh*

AKSWulfe · « **Reply #73 on:** August 28, 2002, 12:32:09 PM »

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Originally posted by Eagler
They are just upholding the law. Guess we should do away with metal detectors at our inner city schools too. Look at the "freedoms" those things take away ....

Actually, piss tests aren't the law. And especially not in a public school system.

OTOH, Metal detectors are there for the protection of the students. They keep guns out of schools.

What do drug tests do? Certainly don't keep the drugs out of the schools.

There is absolutely no law for drug tests, other than for government employment.
-SW

Mathman · « **Reply #74 on:** August 28, 2002, 01:08:54 PM »

You wouldn't need a PRO card if you knew...

GYMKATA!!!