Author Topic: Give me (Read 1297 times)

easymo · « **on:** August 27, 2002, 12:01:40 PM »

As part of the 'war on terrorism, Ashcroft & Co. have indited an attorney defending an muslim clergyman, on the grounds that answering questions from the press constituted communicating terrorist information (and virtually guaranteeing that the next hundred defendants, foreign or domestic, accused to terrorism or other anti-government activities will be unable to secure competent defense counsel). They have demanded the "right" to bug all communications between (certain) defendants and their attorneys. They have broken into offices and searched them, with no notice, under "secret" warrants.

I took the liberty of moveing this to OT.

If clinton had tried this, I and a lot of other conservatives would have went ballistic. Patrick Henry did not say "Give me security. No matter what." Like Pat. I am more inclined to risk my life, then my liberty. I belive most Americans feel the same. Jr. has got to go, come election time.

Toad · « **Reply #1 on:** August 27, 2002, 12:06:29 PM »

Let us just hope that there is a choice between something besides the lesser of two evils this next time.

Bush has been pretty much what I expected. I didn't expect much.

I based my choice on who'd pick the "better" Supreme Court nominees and I still think I made the right choice there.

Of course, I get to use my own definition of "better".

You're right about Ashcroft though... he needs to sit down and do a little reading of the Constitution and the papers of the Founding Fathers.

Wlfgng · « **Reply #2 on:** August 27, 2002, 12:07:46 PM »

the problem with politics:

No one to choose from !!!

they're all crooks/liars/cheats/hypocrites

oh yeah.. that's the definition of a politician.

Ripsnort · « **Reply #3 on:** August 27, 2002, 12:10:17 PM »

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Originally posted by Toad
Let us just hope that there is a choice between something besides the lesser of two evils this next time.

Bush has been pretty much what I expected. I didn't expect much.

I based my choice on who'd pick the "better" Supreme Court nominees and I still think I made the right choice there.

Of course, I get to use my own definition of "better".

You're right about Ashcroft though... he needs to sit down and do a little reading of the Constitution and the papers of the Founding Fathers.

Agreed! I held my nose at election time, though the lesser of two evils (you can do post research on this) and I too believe Ashcroft is failing miserably.

easymo · « **Reply #4 on:** August 27, 2002, 12:28:42 PM »

"Let us just hope that there is a choice between something besides the lesser of two evils this next time"

Toad. There already was.

The best con the politicians ever pulled on us, was the "wasted vote" con. FWIW I wrote Sen. McCaine name in. How can people say I wasted my vote, when I voted my conscience?

This is not a commercial for McCaine. The Dem's should do the same thing. We can take our political system back, by the simple act of ignoring the wasted vote BS. Write in the name of the candidate you think will do the best job.

Rude · « **Reply #5 on:** August 27, 2002, 01:09:32 PM »

I believe Bush has had a plan all along, be it altered by 9/11, he has performed well as the President.

Examine his entire political career....he has always been underestimated, only to pull through and deliver to everyones suprise.

It amuses me to watch how so many of you simplify the current geopolitical climate, the challenges which face us domestically and the overall political machine here at home.

If it were only as easy as some of you make it out to be.

I believe the old "a house divided against itself cannot stand" referenced in the Bible holds true. IMHO, anyone elected as president will have limited success due to corrupt and ill placed motives on the part of his adversaries.

It is what it is and it will never change. Having said that, I choose to stand behind my president until he does something I can no longer respect.

Again, all of this is simply my opinion.

Manedew · « **Reply #6 on:** August 27, 2002, 01:17:01 PM »

edited to show the Nazi effect (what would the world say if that was a jewish clergyman)

::edited::As part of the 'war on terrorism', Ashcroft & Co. have indited an attorney defending an jewish clergyman, on the grounds that answering questions from the press constituted communicating terrorist information (and virtually guaranteeing that the next hundred defendants, foreign or domestic, accused to terrorism or other anti-government activities will be unable to secure competent defense counsel)::edited::

Can't we arrest these guys for brecking the constitution?

easymo · « **Reply #7 on:** August 27, 2002, 01:28:43 PM »

Examine his entire political career

What career. I am a Texan. I have lived under Jr. for his "entire career". The Governor here, does not have the power, or responsibility that Governors have in other states. Its not an outright figure head position, but close. Before that he had a baseball team. Hardly, good training to be the most powerful man in the world. IMO no one would have ever heard of Jr. if not for Sr.

But I am willing to be educated. Please post your evidence.

Charon · « **Reply #8 on:** August 27, 2002, 01:50:03 PM »

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I based my choice on who'd pick the "better" Supreme Court nominees and I still think I made the right choice there.

Of course, I get to use my own definition of "better".

Toad, that was the exact reason for my vote. As you say, I get to use my own definition of better

I would have voted for McCain, if given the choice. I disagree with some of his positions, but bought into his anti-Washington status quo approach. Hopefully he was/is sincere. I really wonder how successful any Washington reformer could be, since he or she would have virtually no support from either party.

Charon

Toad · « **Reply #9 on:** August 27, 2002, 02:13:41 PM »

McCain was probably no worse and probably no better than the other two. He's still a politician. I'd have voted for him had he won the nomination.

Felt it was more important to back my choice for "Supreme Court Judge Nominator" than to register a protest vote for McCain... although here in Kansas I probably didn't need to worry about Bush winning. Remember that map of the county by county choices?

Blue is Bush. Shoulda relaxed, I guess. The Land of Ahhhs!

Rude · « **Reply #10 on:** August 27, 2002, 03:21:50 PM »

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Originally posted by easymo
Examine his entire political career

What career. I am a Texan. I have lived under Jr. for his "entire career". The Governor here, does not have the power, or responsibility that Governors have in other states. Its not an outright figure head position, but close. Before that he had a baseball team. Hardly, good training to be the most powerful man in the world. IMO no one would have ever heard of Jr. if not for Sr.

But I am willing to be educated. Please post your evidence.

I was referring to his ability to bring folks together and get things accomplished....I too lived in Texas when GW was the gov.

In response to your remark about owning a baseball team not jelling with being the president? I would rather have someone who has practical experience in the business world running this country than a lifelong politician....the skills of the latter were showcased the last two terms.

It's just my opinion....nothing more.

easymo · « **Reply #11 on:** August 27, 2002, 03:24:38 PM »

Supreme Court Judges have a way of blowing up in the face of the Prez that put them in there. You know what I am talking about.

We cant do anything about that. We can do something about who the Prez is.

midnight Target · « **Reply #12 on:** August 27, 2002, 03:28:21 PM »

easymo, do you have a link to that story? It sounds kinda Snopesish to me.

funkedup · « **Reply #13 on:** August 27, 2002, 03:31:24 PM »

Ashcroft started off nicely by affirming 2nd Amendment rights but since 9/11 it's been all downhill for him. He's gonna go down in history right next to Janet Reno, the butcher of Waco.

midnight Target · « **Reply #14 on:** August 27, 2002, 03:33:09 PM »

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Originally posted by funkedup
Ashcroft started off nicely by affirming 2nd Amendment rights but since 9/11 it's been all downhill for him. He's gonna go down in history right next to Janet Reno, the butcher of Waco.