Spraying a fine mist

[NOD2000]

i was thinking i was fighting with a 109 that was doin S turns left and right about 2 ft off the water trying to make me pass him up to let him get a wshot at me well i was in a hurr I so i just nosed down to counter act it...............

but anyways i was thinking if u are 2 ft off the water wouldn't that be throwing up a good mist........shouldn't that mist blind your wind sheld and kill your eng if you get with in 200 yrds of it.....? i have read 3 cases of it........... exept it was a zero following corsairs....... guess they were trying to get close enough to enshure a kill.......

my favorite redicoulos story was one of a sbd-2 daughntless that droped a 1000lber trying to hit the japanise carrier that had 5-6 dive bombers taking off (he couldn't idnetify them)before he headed back to his carrier...... he missed and hit infront of  the carrier and splashed water on 4 japanise dive bombers taking off.............the japanise eng's stalled and all 4 went strait into the water cuz of stalled eng's........lol he got a medal for it and was told by his comander while reciving the medal "next time i want u to kill the sorry bastereds not splash water on them"

[Kweassa]

So, Zeros can't fly in the rain then?

 ..

 Maybe the paper they were made of got soaked and ripped apart?


ps) anyways, I think a better myst/splash effect would be cool.

[Seeker]

You have a point.

During "Operation Carthage"; Mosquito's flew across the North Sea to at under 10 metres to bomb the Gestapo HQ in Copenhagen. Unfortunately salt encrustaion of the windscreen due to drying sea spray made visibility so poor one Mossie clipped a street light near the main train station and came down on the French school in town. Eleven other Mossies mistook the crash site smoke for the target and bombed on it's mark. Over 150 children were killed.

[EDO43]

"NO bomber ever whent down in one pass NEVER did it do that no matter what plane attacked...unless it killed both pilot and the copilot" so y does that happen in AH..........."


That statement is an outright lie....  I've been to lectures by German Rammjager pilots who have shot down B-17's in one, yes one Head-on firing pass.  I've got textbook accounts of one pass kills on B-17's, B-24's and B-29's....the latter usually by kamikaze Japanese pilots flying their planes into the Superforts.  B-17's shot down with 10 good chutes...that means pilot and copilot bailed out ALIVE.  You want my references?  When I get home from work, I'll list them in order if you'd prefer....  I've  even got an eyewitness account from Bud Anderson, yes "THE" Bud Anderson, who watched as a "line abreast" formation of Fw190's ran through a bomber stream and shot down, not one, but two, on their first pass....

Sheesh, some of the armchair historians here need to do a bit more research before stepping up to the plate.

[NOD2000]

well lets put it this way how did the luft pilots know that teh b-17 hadn't been attacked before? they could have been straffed by a 190 rtb that had some ammo left.........u don't know that it wasn't hit hard before those luft boys arrived in numbers...............

and that comes from a old 1960's book written by a b-17 pilot with many story's written in there by accual b-17 pilots hell that book has the story told from the tail gunners veiw of this flight......


and back to the accual subject i think it should happen with the water killing other ppl's eng's

[NOD2000]

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[Kratzer]

What the hell is this supposed to prove?

[J_A_B]

"Bud" Anderson--mentioned above--wasn't a LW pilot.

Seeing as my cousin's grandfather (he passed away a couple years ago unfortunately) was the ball gunner on a B-17 that by his own account was shot down in one pass (by an FW-190A)with the pilot/copilot quite alive, I think your sig line is, at best, imagination.  I couldn't tell you what german prison camp was like since he would never talk about it.

Direct hits by 88mm flak were also enough to kill previously undamaged bombers, as were hits to the bombbay once bombs were armed (such hits would sometimes take out nearby bombers too).

Some planes were lucky.  Some weren't.   That's what it comes down to.



J_A_B

[GRUNHERZ]

"NO bomber ever whent down in one pass NEVER did it do that no matter what plane attacked...unless it killed both pilot and the copilot" so y does that happen in AH..........."


You are quite silly if you actually believe this.  

[EDO43]

What is "this"?  You need to be a bit more specific.  If you're referring to our debate, it's not supposed to prove anything.  The water spray idea while a good idea but doubtful that it will be implemented.

Now back to the quote and subsequent picture.  How many times do you think the Luftwaffe sent up it's fighters after a bomber stream?  Maybe once or twice per jadgeschwader.  Once going into the target and maybe, and that's a big maybe, once on the way out from the target depending on location and altitude of the bomber formation.  A 1960's book written by one pilot with an account by one tail gunner can not, and does not speak for the whole of the heavy bomber force in WWII.

The pictures you post are not indicative of the quote you use.  the top one is of a 91st bomb group aircraft and had been named bombboogie.  The second aircraft you show is indeed from North Afrika and was hit by a Bf109F-4 trop, literally.  The pilot crashed his 109 into the 17 after a misjudged gunnery run.  It was not caused by gunfire nor by AAA.  

Now this image is of WeeWillie going to her demise after a direct AAA hit over Stendahl on April 8, 1945.  WeeWillie was Boeing B-17G s/n 42-31333 coded LG*W and flew over 135 missions over Hitlers Germany.  She belonged to the 91st Bombardment Group (H) 322nd Bombardment Squadron, Bassingbourn, England.  This photo has been misinterpreted as having been hit by a 262 but eye witnesses state a direct hit from flak tore her wing off.    She was the second to last fort lost by the 91st before the end of the war.  Nine crew were on board, all nine perished and are interred in Holland and can be visited this day should you desire.

[SKurj]

Beaufighter, shot down a b17 with 16 rounds hispano  (by accident of course!!)


DO ya think he made more than one pass?



SKurj

[EDO43]

I never said he was.  I only said he witnessed a Line Abreast formation of Fw190's go head-on through a bomber stream and shoot down two of them.  He was obviously in his Mustang, escorting bombers to the target.  In his words "...we were up there at cruise, there was nothing we could do but watch as they went through..."

[BenDover]

Originally posted by SKurj
Beaufighter, shot down a b17 with 16 rounds hispano  (by accident of course!!)


DO ya think he made more than one pass?



SKurj

what he mistake them for?

[marauder]

I don't know but (correct me if I'm way off base Nod) I think Nod's quote was just a comment about how fragile the Bombers are in Aces High. I mean, even during offline play you can fly above an enemy airfield in a B17 or another large bomber and one shot of ack can kill you instantly and send you back to tower. Maybe if the bombers could take a little more damage they would be more of a challenge to attacking fighters and more attractive to those AH players who seem to always avoid flying them (because right now they may be looked at as an easy kill and difficult due to the new calibration bomb sight).


Btw Nod there's no "h" in "went" in your sig. quote... (no sarcasm intended)

[Pooh21]

Originally posted by BenDover



what he mistake them for?

Yeah, what?

What an idjit hope they put his arse up against a wall.