Spraying a fine mist

[SKurj]

Well, the crew of the 17 bailed and survived, and actually got to meet the beau crew.  Dunno if the book is accurate about the rest or not......


There were alot of friendly fire incidents in ww2 that didn't end so sweetly with everyone walkin away...



SKurj

[Thrawn]

Originally posted by Seeker
You have a point.

During "Operation Carthage"; Mosquito's flew across the North Sea to at under 10 metres to bomb the Gestapo HQ in Copenhagen. Unfortunately salt encrustaion of the windscreen due to drying sea spray made visibility so poor one Mossie clipped a street light near the main train station and came down on the French school in town. Eleven other Mossies mistook the crash site smoke for the target and bombed on it's mark. Over 150 children were killed.

"Unfortunately, the Mosquito which crashed did so close to the Jeanne d'Arc School. The last flight of six Mosquitos, approaching from a different direction than the previous 12, became confused at the two smoke palls over the city and five of the six Mosquitos bombed the school.

   Inside the school during the attack were 482 children and adults; 86 children and 16 adults were killed, while 67 children and 35 adults were wounded. Four Mosquitos and nine aircrew perished in the raid."

[-ammo-]

Originally posted by EDO43
What is "this"?  You need to be a bit more specific.  If you're referring to our debate, it's not supposed to prove anything.  The water spray idea while a good idea but doubtful that it will be implemented.

Now back to the quote and subsequent picture.  How many times do you think the Luftwaffe sent up it's fighters after a bomber stream?  Maybe once or twice per jadgeschwader.  Once going into the target and maybe, and that's a big maybe, once on the way out from the target depending on location and altitude of the bomber formation.  A 1960's book written by one pilot with an account by one tail gunner can not, and does not speak for the whole of the heavy bomber force in WWII.

The pictures you post are not indicative of the quote you use.  the top one is of a 91st bomb group aircraft and had been named bombboogie.  The second aircraft you show is indeed from North Afrika and was hit by a Bf109F-4 trop, literally.  The pilot crashed his 109 into the 17 after a misjudged gunnery run.  It was not caused by gunfire nor by AAA.  

Now this image is of WeeWillie going to her demise after a direct AAA hit over Stendahl on April 8, 1945.  WeeWillie was Boeing B-17G s/n 42-31333 coded LG*W and flew over 135 missions over Hitlers Germany.  She belonged to the 91st Bombardment Group (H) 322nd Bombardment Squadron, Bassingbourn, England.  This photo has been misinterpreted as having been hit by a 262 but eye witnesses state a direct hit from flak tore her wing off.    She was the second to last fort lost by the 91st before the end of the war.  Nine crew were on board, all nine perished and are interred in Holland and can be visited this day should you desire.

Intreresting photo.  What damaged the elevater on this fort? Looks as if the one hit by the AAA (I assume 88MM or larger) hit the wingroot.  What would have caused the damage to the elevater then?

[Wilbus]

Edo, I believe I have that phot on film aswell, you see a quitelong sequence. Not sure if it's the same but it looks like it.

If it was froma flak burst, there was also an LW fighter on it's 6.

[Innominate]

Originally posted by J_A_B

Direct hits by 88mm flak were also enough to kill previously undamaged bombers, as were hits to the bombbay once bombs were armed (such hits would sometimes take out nearby bombers too).

Hmm, Is it possible that the mysterious explosions causing whole formations to go down is some kind of modeling of the bomb-bay being hit???

[Angus]

Operation Carthage was a sad story although the mission was still successful, - the Gestapo HQ in Copenhagen was destroyed.
The sad part of the story was husshed by the British, but when RAF fighter pilots passing through Copenhagen on their way back from Germany in 1945 found out, they threw one hell of an airshow for the aid of the children that were injured from the raid.
A similar raid on Aalborg was a complete success, with the Target destroyed and a nearby hospital completely undamaged.

[Seeker]

There was also a raid on in Norway; I believe; possibly Stravanger?

I've often thought this series of raids would make a splendid mini scenario or snapshot; and with the use of German air controllers (as done in the recent BoB scenario); the mix of Mossies, Stangs, Wulfs and 110's should make for some fine and desperate low level fighting.

[Shane]

Originally posted by BenDover



what he mistake them for?

rooks?

[gatso]

There was also a raid on in Norway; I believe; possibly Stravanger?

Could be, the three I know of (all low level mossie) are Aarhus, Copenhagen and Amiens off the top of my head. I'm sure there were more.

the Amiens prison raid probably being the best known.

Gatso

[AtmkRstr]

I've always wanted to make rooster tails in a 262

[Halo]

Wow, another hijacked thread.  Regarding the original mist question, that would be an awesome effect, but wouldn't it evoke a major framerate penalty, even more than smoke and clouds?

Love to have it if it's doable and we can afford it powerwise.