thruth or BS?

[niklas]

Originally posted by Pongo
Given a simular number of targets and a simulare time to engage them the allies would have had 200kill + aces as well.  there is no magic, it is just oppertunity, opertunity that the Germans had.
How many aircombats did David Mcambell participate in to shoot down 34? Aircraft...dozens at most..imagine letting him go at it for 5 long years against enemies with vast numerical supperiority.
he would have had lots more kills.

Sorry, but the most probable end of the story after 5 years of fighting against numerical superiority would be : death

Donīt believe that german aces liked the situation of a "target rich environment" (lol). Because in such a situation YOU are the target

niklas

[hyena426]

lol,cant read them?,,,,,maybe you need glasses,,,,,,,hehahe,,,,,,i got know problem with reading them:D ethere do my buddies,,,,,,,,,and got plenty of replies{you being one of them},,lol and please keep the thread point about the thread instead of attacking some ones typing style

[hyena426]

and yes,,germans were big targets,,,,better planes,,,,and being outnumberd,,,,could we say usa or england would of held up against such a overwhelming odds?

[palef]

Originally posted by fats
hyena,

How difficult would it be to use paragraphs and stuff? Perhaps folks would actually bother to read your posts then. If you wish to be unreadable to the extreme you should type all caps.


// fats

I'm with fats here. I also wonder if it would be possible for some people to type their posts in MS Word (or similar) with the auto spell check on? Or at least proof read before hitting the "submit post" button.

I sometimes come away from the board with a bigger headache than the one I get talking to my boss.

palef

[hyena426]

make a thread then saying{bad typing haters club},,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,please leave aircraft and othere threads to just aircraft and not personal attacks on people's spelling or typing

[whgates3]

i've read a number of books that said that luftwaffe pilots of higher rank were on the honor system for kills and only the lower ranks needed confirmation...on the other hand there were over 30,000 slow, single engine Il2s out there, most of which didn't survive the war

[hyena426]

i wouldnt dout some of them got tons of kills,,they were out numbered and im sure had alot of chances to get alot of il2's and othere slow bombers,,,the russian air force was trashed on for a while

[fats]

Hyena,

That is not a typing style it is a typing defect. Your typing and sentence forming is the equivalent of speaking as clearly as Snoop Dogg mumbles on his albums or interviews.

This is not a attack at you or anything like that. Just a friendly reminder that it would be a service for others to try type as clearly and to the point as possible. Your messages contain zero structure and only random ammounts of "," placed in between  seemingly random words.

So are you really incapable of writing like you were tought in school?


// fats

[hyena426]

good god will you let it rest?,,,geesh,,who cares?,,lol

[hyena426]

talk about planes not crappy righting or typing,,,,,,,,,i hope they add the stuka soon,,i wanna hear them dive sirens:D

[AKSWulfe]

J_A_B- in response to what happen to Richtofen's trophies, they were for the most part lost when WWII began.

I forget how it happened, but it was in a book entitled "Richtofen" that said what happened. I have a couple of books on him, they all pretty much agree that almost all his war relics were lost in his mom's house when WWII began. Due to the house being bombarded I think.
-SW

[hyena426]

the red baron was the man:),,,how many kills did he have?,,over 200 im sure ,i cant remmeber the true count off hand

[Oldman731]

Originally posted by hyena426
the red baron was the man:),,,how many kills did he have?,,over 200 im sure ,i cant remmeber the true count off hand

Eighty.
Don't you remember the song, "Snoopy and the Red Baron"?

- oldman

[Oldman731]

Originally posted by HoHun
>I would love to see this study, if you have a line on it. Honest. Because I'm still betting they used German claims.

Have a look at:

http://www.au.af.mil/au/aul/bibs/korea/aerial.htm

U.S. Air Force. The Relationship Between Sortie Ratios and Loss Rates for Air-To-Air Battle Engagements During World War II and Korea: Saber Measures Charlie. Washington, 1970. 22p.
Doc. call no.: M-U 42210-

I may actually be able to put my hands on this.  Will let you know.

- oldman

[Oldman731]

Originally posted by HoHun

Have a look at:

http://www.au.af.mil/au/aul/bibs/korea/aerial.htm

U.S. Air Force. The Relationship Between Sortie Ratios and Loss Rates for Air-To-Air Battle Engagements During World War II and Korea: Saber Measures Charlie. Washington, 1970. 22p.
Doc. call no.: M-U 42210-75
 

All right, HoHun, I actually obtained a copy of this document.  Let me know your FAX number, I can send it to you if you're interested.  It's pretty disappointing (the central thesis is that the side with the greater numbers is going to win the war), but, as pertinent to this thread, it is useless.  The author obtained his information on kills and losses from Joseph H. Reinburg,  Air-to-Air Combat in World War II:  Quantitative History, Research Paper p. 345, Institute for Defense Analyses, Arlington, VA, Nov 1966, Defense Documentation Center No. 659043, AFCSA Shelf No. 10258.

Guess I'll continue the quest when I get some more time.  Still betting that Mr. Reinburg used German figures, though.

- oldman