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Which model P-51B do we have in AH?
« on: August 31, 2002, 01:43:26 PM »
Anyone? HTC or otherwise, I was discussing with a squaddie and trying to gauge the differences between the P-51B and the P-51D we have in AH in preparation for the new CT setup that should be going up this weekend.  Looking through my copy of the 100K here I found out that early production P-51B's used a different Merlin engine than the late production B's and D ponies.  So which one submodel P-51B do we have modelled in AH?  Does it have the V-1650-3 engine or the beefier V-1650-7 engine?  My guess is it's the V-1650-3 but I'm not certain.  Also anyone have any info on how the P-51B differs in performance than the D-pony, I'm particularly interested in the catagories that don't show up on HTC charts, namely acceleration and turning ability.  Thanks fellas. :D
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« Reply #1 on: August 31, 2002, 03:55:28 PM »
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Which model P-51B do we have in AH?
« Reply #2 on: August 31, 2002, 06:33:35 PM »
Its a P-51B-5. ill edit in more info later.

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« Reply #3 on: August 31, 2002, 08:10:56 PM »
The P-51B we have has the V-1650-3 engine.   Compared to the P-51D, the B in AH is generally not as good at low to medium altitudes (which is why it sees relatively little use in the MA).  In particular, on the deck it's about 10 MPH slower than the "D" and climbs about 200 FPM worse.

However, at high altitudes things really change.  At 30,000 feet (operational altitudes for typical WW2 ETO escort missions), the P-51B has more than TWICE the climbrate of the "D" and is quite a bit faster too.  Pilots actually disliked the V-1650-7 engine because at the altitudes they were fighting at, it actually reduced performance.  In general, if you plan on going over 20K the "B" is a better coice.  

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« Reply #4 on: September 01, 2002, 11:35:56 AM »
Thanks Viper, J_A_B.  :)
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« Reply #5 on: September 01, 2002, 03:41:43 PM »
The P-51B is that of Don Gentile. He and John Godfrey were some of the first WWII aviators to use present day ACM, Gentile and Godfrey both flew P-51B's The 51B was the first to get the merlin engine, the p51, P51A and the Apache had the Allison which were mean machines below 12k but didnt do well at higher altitudes. Had the Allison gotten the supercharger the P-38 Allisons had then there would have been a close comparison between the merlin and the allison, however there were significant problems getting all the needs meet so time caused the switch to the merlin and the rest is history.

The P-51B had the four 50 cal. MG's but had serious problems with jamming since they had to be laid on their sides to fit where as in the 51D room was made for the extra set and all could be laid flat which made for much better ammo runs to the MG's.

The 51D had the extra section added to the tail to improve stability since the cockpit interior 65 gallon gas tank upset the planes center of gravity, bigger intake scoop for the radiator to improve cooling, and slightly bigger ailerons, not to mention the bubble canopy which really gives the D model the edge IMHO, all this made it a little heavier, so the 51B had the -3 Merlin where as the 51D had the -7, so all in all they come out pretty close in performance. As is usually the case it will be more often than not pilot skill that would dictate and outcome between the two ponys.

If your lucky you can still find copys of " The Look of Eagles" written by John T. Godfrey, it covers his life a little before and after WWII, but there are a lot of stores about Gentile and himself. They did a lot to make the Mustang famous, by the way thats the name the Brits gave the plane not us, which is fair since they paid for the order

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« Reply #6 on: September 02, 2002, 12:21:25 AM »
I recently made a switch from a concentration on the F4U-1 to the P-51B and I'm really enjoying this aircraft!  I'm actually dogfighting a little again rather than relying solely on boom & zoom tactics like I adopted with the Hog.  Anyway, I'm curious what the regular Pony fliers think regarding the gun lethality of the two Pony variants?  It strikes me that though the 51B is just 1/3 less the guns of the 51D, it's punch seems more than 1/2 worse than the 51D.  I'm emptying my gun banks and seeing pings "galore" most of the time only to earn an assist.  One time I got quite upset because I literally unloaded a vast majority of my ammo and got many, many pings and many at very closer range such as under 100 yards into a P47 that would not go down and never did go down before some Spit ate me for lunch.  Late, I decided to try the 51D and that seemed to pack a much greater punch more like I was used to with my F4U-1.  In fact, I encountered a P47 in my 51D and all it took were three quick bursts of gunfire and he went down and I got the kill (to my knowledge, the only one to hit him.)  Plus, I've heard the FM2 with just four .50s is quite lethal.  My opinions are just that and are not formed on any scientific basis, but what are other Pony drivers' opinions?

The P-51B is my plane now just 'cause I like green.  That 51D is in major need of a facelift....big time.

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« Reply #7 on: September 02, 2002, 06:25:28 PM »
Do we have the canopy that's in this photo ?

I took this three weeks ago at the Dayton AF museum .
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« Reply #8 on: September 02, 2002, 10:49:01 PM »
No we dont have that canopy, the 51B here is Don Gentiles and his was an early P-51B without the Malcomb canopy.

In regards to the 4 .50 cals, it seems to me that the M16 is also more lethal than the 51B and they both have 4 .50's but who knows personal impressions are funny things