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Offline HoHun

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Bf-110 in the BoB scenario
« Reply #15 on: September 08, 2002, 01:12:57 PM »
Hi Grendel,

>Yup, good and correct information about 110s in real life, correcting that ever living misinformation about 110s fighter capabilities - or the claimed lack of.

A good method to assess a fighter's qualities independend of the historical circumstances has been used by Mike Spick in his books. He asks: "How would the plane have fared if it had fought on the opposite side?" :-)

In the case of the Me 110, I think it would have fared excellently. It had a much better endurance than the single-engined fighters, so it could have climbed to altitude at the first warning of an enemy attack - the Spitfire's short endurance meant they had to scramble against the bombers when the Luftwaffe's fighter spearhead was already uncomfortably close to their bases. With GCI support, the Me 110 could have avoided the escort formations, and it could have been vectored to engage the bomber formations (and the close escort) from superior altitude. Its cannon armament would have been devestating against the bombers (much better than the RAF's RCMGs!), and though the escort fighters might have been superior, it would have been much easier to escape from a fuel-limited Me 109 that was flying over enemy territory than it was historically to escape from a Spitfire deep in the latter's homeland.

In short, a heavy fighter like the Me 110 would have boosted the strength of the RAF considerably in the Battle of Britain. If the Westland Whirlwind hadn't been hamstrung by its unreliable engines, they might actually have had one!

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Henning (HoHun)

Offline Squire

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« Reply #16 on: September 08, 2002, 10:30:24 PM »
I think the Hurricane and the 110 both did better than some figured, and the Spitfire and 109 did worse than many figured.

I knew the Ju88s would be tough with the 1.10 formations, and its too bad the BoB wasnt longer because it takes a few frames for everybody to get the "feel" of it, on both sides, fuel times, attacking buffs, all that.

Maybe next time we can go 6 rounds, with a few Stukas thrown in for good measure :)

Love the BoB.
« Last Edit: September 08, 2002, 10:33:20 PM by Squire »
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Offline Fishu

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« Reply #17 on: September 08, 2002, 11:33:29 PM »
Glasses,

I disagree with 109 having lousy maneuverability :)
AH just doesn't model it right (alot of mistakes in the FM's), although still having good maneuverability.

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« Reply #18 on: September 09, 2002, 12:08:06 AM »
:rolleyes:
"And one of the finest aircraft I ever flew was the Macchi C.205. Oh, beautiful. And here you had the perfect combination of italian styling and german engineering .... it really was a delight to fly ... and we did tests on it and were most impressed." - Captain Eric Brown

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« Reply #19 on: September 09, 2002, 03:34:53 AM »
fishu dont you fly wwiiol?

a guy at over at agw tested the 109e in wb3 wwiiol ah and il2, he also tested the spit 1 of wb3 ah and wwiiol.

wwiiol aircraft out performed them all in climb and turning.

Seems the fms over at wwiiol is extremely generous. They even perform above almost all published numbers for the 109e with a d601.(there were 109e with the db601n)

I know your a wwiiol fan boi so dont get your panties bunched. Comiing from the arcade fm of wwiiol to either wbs ah or il2 the fms will feel sluggish. AH (same with wbs and il2)has its problems but when compared to the wwiiol fm it holds more then its own.

The ah spit 1 rolls a bit higher then it should. My squaddie Urchin has made several tests and posted the results. Compared to published numbers the ah 109e was realitively accurrate.

If the bbs search function is back working then do a search.

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« Reply #20 on: September 09, 2002, 03:44:57 AM »
FYI, Fishu flew AH since early beta. He holds record in Fw 190A-8 with 220+ kills and 0 deaths in beta tour 2.

When 109G-10 had reduced power due to bug in beta, Fishu was first to discover it.

All in all, I wouldn't disregard his thoughts on FMs completely.