German Bombers

[Carwash]

Is this called thread bumpINg.

[Brooke]

It may be an old, bumped thread, but I do think at some point we will get the He 111.  The fact that it was in the list of possible planes to vote on means it's in the short list of what many folks are thinking of for additions.

[haggerty]

its been 20 years, Germans need a viable bomber

[Oldman731]

its been 20 years, Germans need a viable bomber

Germans never had a viable bomber.

- oldman

[hazmatt]

its been 20 years, Germans need a viable bomber

Any of these?
Ju 288
Do 317
He 177A‑5

[haggerty]

Germans never had a viable bomber.

- oldman

HE-177, 15,000lb of ords
Do-217, 8,000lb, better speed.

[Oldman731]

HE-177, 15,000lb of ords
Do-217, 8,000lb, better speed.

In this game, you're right.  Operational problems are ignored, so it could be that these planes would work for the AH Germans.

- oldman (but the Germans still didn't have any viable bombers in real life!)

[Brooke]

Ju 288, Do 317 -- didn't really make it out of prototypes

He 177, Do 217 -- 1000-2000 built each. So used, but not that much.

For scenarios, super-highest priority would be the B-25J.  Second priority would be Pe-2.  Third would be Beaufighter.

[haggerty]

Only 370 Komets were built.
Only 3000 B-29s were built during the war.
About 400 Nikis were made.
About 2000 TU-2s were made.
About 1800 190D9s were built.
About 1200 Tempests...im sure there are many more cases to show that 2000 is not necessarily a low figure.

[Randy1]

2,212 M26 Pershing tanks were produced during the war.  So how about a new tank to combat the ever increasing swarm of Tiger 2s.

[hazmatt]

I've run into 288s in another game I played and they're fast...

I'm pretty sure it would lead to wailing and gnashing of teeth.

[Brooke]

Only 370 Komets were built.
Only 3000 B-29s were built during the war.
About 400 Nikis were made.
About 2000 TU-2s were made.
About 1800 190D9s were built.
About 1200 Tempests...im sure there are many more cases to show that 2000 is not necessarily a low figure.

Yes.

But for scenarios and FSO's, we use the aircraft that were predominantly in particular battles.  The main aircraft of the war, mostly.

We have no B-25J, the most-produced B-25 of them all (about half of all B-25's produced were B-25J's).  The B-25J was enormously used in the PTO, MTO, CBI, Eastern Front (by Soviets), ETO (by British).  B-25C is a terrible analog, as it has no ability to shoot at a fighter directly on 6 o'clock (top turret guns don't depress far enough, and no tail gun), making it a disaster in scenarios, and bomber pilots despise flying it.

We have no Pe-2, but 11,000 of them were made in WWII.  Hugely used on the Eastern Front.

We have no Beaufighter. 6000 made in WWII.  Used a lot in MTO, ETO, PTO, CBI, Eastern Front (by Soviets).

For scenarios, those are the top 3 gaps.  And they are big gaps that affect large portions of what we do in historical setups.