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Offline Pongo

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« on: September 04, 2002, 07:59:03 PM »
How do you land with a real heavy crosswind? Trying to land my 109g2 in a thunderstorm in another sim..4 tries..no success. Just when I about have it down the earth reaches up and slams me real hard...Should I try to find a field that lets me land into the wind? or is there some technique for getting those dam wheels on the ground when the plane is flying at a 45 degree sideslip?
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Offline Thrawn

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« Reply #1 on: September 04, 2002, 08:14:57 PM »
It is possible that the crosswind component is just to much for the plane.
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« Reply #2 on: September 04, 2002, 08:16:56 PM »
Sounds like you may be exceeding the x-wind factor that the aircraft is capable of handling.

Best bet is to approach hot... crab with upwind wing lowered - then kick it straight with rudder at the last minute and peg it down...

or go for the alternate field if the x-wind is a bit much. You won't be able to handle x-winds above a certain velocity/angle, depending on the plane.
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« Reply #3 on: September 04, 2002, 08:31:22 PM »
you position your bearing and AoA to compensate for the wind.

Its specially hard on a sim because you cant "feel" the exact direction the wind is coming from and pushing you to.
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Offline Kieran

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« Reply #4 on: September 04, 2002, 08:33:20 PM »
I don't have time in a G2, but... in an ultralight, carry a bit more speed coming in, flatter approach, upwind wing low, feed in opposite rudder. Fly it right onto the ground, releasing the rudder right at touchdown. That should handle your sink problem, but the undercarriage on the G2 is another animal altogether... I leave that to Toad...
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« Reply #5 on: September 04, 2002, 09:45:31 PM »
You can crab down final to the "numbers" and  then transition to wing low/rudder or you can fly wing low/rudder all the way to touchdown.

Easy way is to crab and kick for me. More fun too, when you do it right. Can get exciting if you're having a real bad day and don't get the nose straight with rudder and the wing down before you touch down.

I kinda like coming down final sideways though, it's different. :)
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« Reply #6 on: September 04, 2002, 10:03:31 PM »
Pongo- Il2 or a non-combat flight sim?

If it's Il2, I can make ya a clip (but won't get it to ya until Saturday)... if it's not, I'm interested in knowing which sim you are talking about.
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Offline Pongo

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« Reply #7 on: September 04, 2002, 10:33:44 PM »
Il2...
Stalingrad campaign, I enjoy shooting down the 8 il2s that attack my field(no tail gunners on em yet) but Ill be damded if I can land. I know that generally the winds are blowing accross the runway south to north. I will try landing as close as possible into them and miss the little burning barrel things. Or scout arround for the orientation of the other airfields in the area. Mine is also on top of a mesa type thing so cant just really really drag out the approach roll(tried it)
Dam those landing gear are touchy on the 109 in that game though..especially if you only touch down one.
The take off is like a carrier cat launch though turn a little into the wind and let her fly...lots of rudder and she just jumps into the air if you can hang on...The lightning and thunder are real neat and of course its near dark too...
Dam russians will fly in anything!

Thanks for all the hints. I think that droping the up wind wing a little is something I can try.
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« Reply #8 on: September 04, 2002, 10:49:50 PM »
I'll still make the track, but in the case of Il2(and the 109s), I've found that if you set your heading so that you are pointing a little into the wind, you can set it down nice and easy. The key is to get the speed really low, around 160km/h with full flaps down, and never just cut the throttle, because that can do a whole mess of bad things. If you ease it around 10-20%(in terms of HOTAS deflection, I have the HUD msgs turned off, so I dunno what it reports there) on the throttle and keep it at around 160km/h and not losing speed, you can put it down on the runway very easily. One thing to remember though, keep your foot on the rudder. Not a lot, but just enough to keep it lined up with the runway. As you are slowing down on the runway, you are going to find that you will eventually need full rudder deflection when the speeds are real low to keep it on the runway.

The mission # doesn't matter, the weather (I'm pretty sure) is the same no matter what (a T-storm is a T-storm)...

either way, the wing dip method will work too, but it can become tricky with the 109s because they like to slosh back 'n forth on their gear when they are on the ground.

I also recommend the Barborossa compaigns by OSSI, they are VERY good. (I'll get you the link if you want it)
-SW
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