Author Topic: Tour 31 Fighter vs Fighter stats (Read 883 times)

Revvin · « **Reply #30 on:** September 07, 2002, 06:38:47 AM »

Ammo you're quoting Beet1e there

-ammo- · « **Reply #31 on:** September 07, 2002, 06:46:14 AM »

Revvin, I am sorry:) Its early for me on a Saturday morning and I havemn't had my coffee yet. Thats my excuse.

airspro · « **Reply #32 on:** September 07, 2002, 06:54:59 AM »

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People try to kill me no matter what plane I am in.

Well I read this whole thread . I likes this quote the best .

Thanks for the info AKDejaVu , I thought that me flying the 109g10 most of last tour the kills stats for that plane would be alot better

proves I don't know shat don't it ? hehe

~~spro~~

Revvin · « **Reply #33 on:** September 07, 2002, 07:04:14 AM »

beet1e · « **Reply #34 on:** September 07, 2002, 07:39:51 AM »

Ammo! You seem to be talking of the HO as a legitimate ACM.

I try to avoid HOs if I can, but sometimes if I'm cornered I will do it. You are right about what you said, but I stand by what I said. The P47 will normally win the HO because the instigator of the HO will very likely be a N1K/LA7 dweeb, and not a 190 driver. I had one yesterday - was in a P47D-30, and had dropped my ord to destroy a VH. Along comes an LA7 dweeb, I zoomed above him, and he does an LA7 style "e-bleeding-flat-turn-then-zoom-up-because-LA7s-don't-lose-e-and-gravity-does-not-apply-to-them" manoeuvre. I was down to 100mph at the top of a stall turn, so when I saw the guy coming up at me, and with very few alternatives, I let him have it with all eight barrels. He got my engine, but I landed safely. He was blown to bits.

Karnak · « **Reply #35 on:** September 07, 2002, 08:50:36 AM »

Wotan,

Urchin understood at least part what I said. I also was implying that the perk system does not work as an encouragement to use rarer aircraft as it isn't seen as a reward. In no sense did I mean that perked aircraft should be unperked.

None of your replies have been at all accurate in regards to what I was saying. Given our lack of communication on this subject I think it best to cease this debate for both of us.

Innominate · « **Reply #36 on:** September 07, 2002, 08:57:46 AM »

But karnak,
Perk prices arent based on performance!!! Unperking the perk planes would be bad!!

lazs2 · « **Reply #37 on:** September 07, 2002, 09:12:56 AM »

I like the tags.. I think every plane should be identified for what it really is. that goes for all the spits and 109/`190's and the hogs. Same for P51's and f4f's and zekes. Why should someone in a superior plane be able to hide behind an icon?

I don't get it... why would a plane with a better than 2/1 kill ratio need to hide?
lazs

AKDejaVu · « **Reply #38 on:** September 07, 2002, 09:35:13 AM »

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The Fw190D-9 and Ta152H-1 give us a much better argument. The Fw190D-9 is flown often enough to weed out too much effect by a few very skilled individuals, further, those same skilled individuals are the most likely pilots of the Ta152H-1. Despite this, and despite the Ta152H-1's perk price which should act as incentive to live, the Fw190D-9 handily bests it in terms of K/D ratio.

This is a total assumption based on bias.

I did a quick scan of a squad that got about 9% of 190D kills, they also got about 8% of 152 kills... they were more successfull in the 152, though not by a wide margin.

Seems that's pretty much the case... the Ta-152 is not much better than the Dora... so why buy the perk plane? Most would rather save their perks for an Me262 than waste them on the lesser planes. (Stats do show that)

As for the icon argument... it seems pretty silly... especially for the Ta 152. What should it be labeled... a 190? Its not a 190... its not based on any other aircraft in the MA. Perhaps the same cannot be said of the Spit XIV, but then... you aren't trying to argue that its just barely better than the Spit IX are you? Cause I'll find that incredibly funny if you are.

AKDejaVu

poopster · « **Reply #39 on:** September 07, 2002, 12:32:56 PM »

Argue away. In my few sorties in a Tempest I've learned that there is indeed a billboard above my a/c that says..

TEMPEST HERE !!

I'm happy to say that 85% of the nearby cons can read

J_A_B · « **Reply #40 on:** September 07, 2002, 01:35:11 PM »

"I don't get it... why would a plane with a better than 2/1 kill ratio need to hide? "

You know why Lazs, and so do I

I agree with you on the ICON thing; I wish they all showed subtypes.

Funny thing is, regardless of what the "ICON mafia" complains about, I still manage to get ganged up on plenty in a P-51. I disagree that perk planes get ganged up on substantially more than non-perk planes. Why do I disagree? It is NOT possible for me to get ganged up on more than I already do; if I fly a perk plane I see NO difference, nor do I see friendlies in perk planes attracting any more enemies than they would in a non-perk plane in the same situation (read: low and slow you will attract crowds regardless of what you fly). Any enemy that thinks it can kill me, attacks me......any enemy that doesn't think it can kill me ignores me. Pilot SA and crowd control ability are a huge requirement if you want to land ANY flight; it just becomes more important when you stand to lose a fair chunk of PP's.

In the MA, people attack what they can kill. If 3 friendlies are near 1 disadvantaged enemy, then usually they'll all gang up on that one enemy. It doesn't matter whether the enemy is a 152 or a 202; the gang will still happen. I will tell you right now, I can better avoid a gang in a Spit 14 or Tempest or 152 than I can in a 202 or a P-40 or a Spit or N1K, and I don't see any 202 or N1K pilots complaining about their ICONs.

J_A_B

Innominate · « **Reply #41 on:** September 07, 2002, 02:04:25 PM »

Nobody ever said free planes don't get gangbanged. In a 5 on 1, any plane will get gangbanged. In a 5 on 5, the perk plane will almost always get ganged, making it's only real use dragging so the others can get easy kills. A free plane that looks like an easy kill will get ganged. A perk plane will get ganged whenever possible.

Wotan · « **Reply #42 on:** September 07, 2002, 02:21:26 PM »

yup they are all out get you and little perk plane too..

sounds just like the guy who quit because c47s kept trying to ram his 262....

Innominate · « **Reply #43 on:** September 07, 2002, 04:02:03 PM »

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Originally posted by Wotan
yup they are all out get you and little perk plane too..

sounds just like the guy who quit because c47s kept trying to ram his 262....

Are you just cut and pasting your old posts to see if anyone notices? Do you have any arguments that are relavent to anything I've said, or just "Perk planes aren't perked based on thier performance"?

Or are you denying that people gangbang perk tagged planes whenever they see one that they can point thier nose at?

Wotan · « **Reply #44 on:** September 07, 2002, 04:13:08 PM »

I am saying that folks get gangbanged not matter plane they are in. I am saying that if you think that perk planes are so much more ganged banged then others that their k/d doesnt prove it, or 2 they are just that much better then then the unperked planes and are justified being perked at their current values.

The "perk planes are gangbanged because of their icons" arguement is so weak its laughable, in the same sense that that the guy who claimed c47s kept trying to ram his 262 is.

Let me quote AKDejavu:

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As for the icon argument... it seems pretty silly

So if you are going to paste the same silly claim about icons I can do the same with my points.