Author Topic: Hide the scoreboard. (Read 377 times)

beet1e · « **on:** September 08, 2002, 05:37:49 AM »

The sensation I derive from writing this post is akin to flying low and slow over an enemy CV, and finding myself surrounded by enemy bullets. But I am motivated to post this because I feel that the AH community's obsession with scores has reached such a pitch that it is taking over the game. I'm seeing guys running away from the job in hand because they need to RTB to land those kills. OK, I've occasionally done it myself, and I'm not proud of that.

It seems like every time I visit this board, there will be at least a couple of threads about how we should change the scoring system, or how we might adjust it to deter one type of flying or encourage another. Right now I see about five such posts on the first page alone.

So I have a suggestion. Why don't we hide the board until the end of the tour? You can still view your own details (but not ranks) and those of your squad. But you'd have to wait till the last day to view the full story as we can view it now. The scoring system can reward vulching and running away to friends, and that's a bad thing. I agree that we should RTB wherever possible, and not bail as a matter of routine.

The obsession with score is harming the game. It's time to act! Try it - even if only for one tour.

OK, flame away - don't make it toopersonal if you can help it.

eskimo2 · « **Reply #1 on:** September 08, 2002, 05:51:02 AM »

9 out of 10 AH players will state that score means nothing, they never check it, and it has no influence on how they play. When a discussion on the score system arises, however, most folks add to a thread as if they have great knowledge of how the system works, of their own stats and rankings, and what a huge influence the score system has on their (and everyone's) playing habits.

eskimo

SirLoin · « **Reply #2 on:** September 08, 2002, 06:19:27 AM »

Getting rid of kills per time would be a step in the right direction.

vatiAH · « **Reply #3 on:** September 08, 2002, 06:53:41 AM »

Beetle,
Like many others, I like to fly as the real pilots of WWII did. I do not take off, fly to target , fight till i'm out of fuel and ammo then crash like some here do. To me that perverts the whole sim experince. 99% of all pilots of WWII took off with the intent of comeing home to land.

As for Rtbing before the job is done. My thoughts on that are simple, if i'm out of ammo or out of bombs then I am combat ineffective and my JOB IS DONE and it's time to go home. If i'm B: Low on gas then again it's time to go home. Thats my criteria for rtbing.

Vati66

Revvin · « **Reply #4 on:** September 08, 2002, 07:12:49 AM »

Is RTB'ing a crime now? I would never RTB and leave a countryman in trouble but if I've done my bit and getting low on ammo or fuel and I've dropped whatever ord I'm carrying then it's time to RTB and I'm not going to stick around and fly till I die. You know yourself Beet1e the stat's I concern myself with No.9 are getting the ord on target and making it home in one piece. If we get kills then it's a nice bonus. If I fly fighters and get kills it's nice because I really do blow chunks in a fighter! but I don't really care either way as most of the time I figure I can help in a fighter just by virtue of being another target for the enemy to chase while a more proficient countryman sneaks up behind him

I really don't know how all these percentages and multipliers work, it's all stuff and nonsense to me so really don't care either way.

beet1e · « **Reply #5 on:** September 08, 2002, 07:27:26 AM »

Nothing wrong with RTB if low on ammo, although I sometimes stick around to intimidate the enemy and help a friend reach the target because the cons don't KNOW I'm out of ammo.

I'm not suggesting that anyone should fly any differently than they do now. But I do think that by hiding the scores until the end, scorepotatodom would take a back seat, instead of being in the driving seat as it is now.

Revvin · « **Reply #6 on:** September 08, 2002, 07:51:28 AM »

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although I sometimes stick around to intimidate the enemy and help a friend reach the target because the cons don't KNOW I'm out of ammo

LOL! did that for Dayo and PanZer last night, a particularly warpy F4U tangled with me last night, my gunnery is'nt that great as you know but I lit him up and he seemed to fly away without any damage until finally I hit his wing. I knew Dayo and PanZer were upping nearby so hung on his tail for a while. After about 5 mins he must have figured I was out of ammo and slipped out of my gunsight as I grabbed a few forkfuls of sweet n sour chicken and rice that had just been cooked for me. I managed to evade his inevitable HO attacks and got back on his six then Dayo and PanZer arrived on the scene and finished him off

AvidMC · « **Reply #7 on:** September 08, 2002, 11:06:30 AM »

Not a good idea at all beet1e. Sorry but I just have to disagree. Now I sure don't consider myself a score potato, if I did I sure as hell wouldn't be flying a Jug 99% of the time. But I do enjoy looking at my score through the tour to see how I am doing. The ranking part of scoring don't mean squat to me but my K/D is important as well as my hit %.

As for RTB'ing I will RTB if low on fuel or ammo, but I will also dive in to help a countryman who is getting banged, many times against my better judgment, but I do it anyway. I can't count the times I have gotten myself low and slow in a Jug it save some spit driver whose SA got him in a world of chit. many times I clear him only to watch him fly away as I become the target of the enemies affection. But this is my decision to make and when I drop in to help a countryman I know it could be my demise.

To make AH the perfect game for me people would fly in an organized way, with a common goal and try to make it back to base alive each time they do. So bring on the mission arena!!! As for the main arena, it has always been a ganger paradise and will always continue to be so. I salute HTC for trying to give players a choice in arenas that will suit the type of game they are looking for.

Good thread Beet1e S!!!

Avid

poopster · « **Reply #8 on:** September 08, 2002, 11:49:45 AM »

Ahh beet1e your mistaken

( pretty docile eh ?? )

With the exception of "fighter" sorties the scoring system actually rewards furthering the goals of the land grabbers.

Attack, bomber and vehicle scores all revolve around destroying enemy real estate or defending ones own.

I took a week off, and as a result absolutely suck at air to air. I can't kill something if my life depended on it.

Spent most of the day hitting enemy headquarters, cities and bases flying jabo with a few bomber runs thrown in. Milk running I guess you call it

Even though I rarely lived, trains are tough but pop with 1000 lb'ers BUT I FINALLY SAW ONE

Even got killed by ack over headquarters at 10k

You see, when I suck, I'll find away to die EVEN if there is no enemy fighters in the area. It's my cross to bear...........

Checking the scores in those catagories, even though I died the majority of times, the "score" wasn't half bad.

In conclusion, scores are a good thing..

you..

you....

Hairy backed, knock kneed cast off of a post menopausal bar tart

( I owed you that one

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Thrawn · « **Reply #9 on:** September 08, 2002, 11:51:54 AM »

For some reason I thought the name of this thread was "Hit the headboard" for an instant and I thought, "Woo hoo!".

poopster · « **Reply #10 on:** September 08, 2002, 11:59:36 AM »

LOL !!!

Monk · « **Reply #11 on:** September 08, 2002, 12:07:05 PM »

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Originally posted by Thrawn
For some reason I thought the name of this thread was "Hit the headboard" for an instant and I thought, "Woo hoo!".

beet1e · « **Reply #12 on:** September 08, 2002, 01:13:03 PM »

AvidMC and Poopster: You didn't read my post properly! Let me reiterate, with the important bit highlighted.

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So I have a suggestion. Why don't we hide the board until the end of the tour? You can still view your own details (but not ranks) and those of your squad.

So, AvidMC - does this alter your point of view to my suggestion?

Poopster - what does your post have to do with hiding the scoreboard? Fly exactly as before, but you'd have to wait till ToD rollover to see how your scores compared with other guys.

Anyway, it doesn't matter because there's not a vat in Hell's chance that HTC would go along with it. We're more likely to get a compass that's calibrated the right way round.

But I wont give up! Got to find a way to stem the obsession with scores. I thought I'd seen anything until this morning, when I read about people changing sides to take control of a CV, and the one about people who have two accounts so they can shoot themselves down over and over again - to boost score.

Dead Man Flying · « **Reply #13 on:** September 08, 2002, 01:20:14 PM »

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Originally posted by SirLoin
Getting rid of kills per time would be a step in the right direction.

ahahaha No.

-- Todd/Leviathn

beet1e · « **Reply #14 on:** September 08, 2002, 01:36:18 PM »

I agree with dead man flying (above). If we got rid of k/t, Lazs would quit.