Author Topic: Hijacking going forward (Read 657 times)

Vulcan · « **on:** September 10, 2002, 06:36:06 AM »

While taking a dump and pondering quantum theory I started thinking about Hijacking.

First thought was will a hijacking ever occur again? I mean, I doubt any hostage will do the sit down shut up thing anymore. Potential hijackers must realize passengers will try to kill them at all costs now?

So that lead to me second thought. Awful as it is, the Sept 11 attacks were the biggest blow terrorists have struck against the USA, therefore (don't take this the wrong way) from their point of view extremely successful.

So, putting myself in their head, I'd probably look for ways to repeat Sept 11s method. The two issues for them now are the passengers fighting back and smuggling knives onboard. Then the penny dropped, how hard would it be for a hijacker to smuggle a chemical weapon onboard?

For example, could a hijacker smuggle something like sarin + an antidote onto an airliner using modified household canisters (perfume or something). Then spray the sarin into ventilation system (remembering airliners use recirculation) and self administer the antidote. Thereby disabling the crew and passengers? I ask this because of the fact that the ragheads have been fooling with chemical agents and I wondered if these agents would be detectable?

Most stuff I've seen expects chemical attacks to be the primary attack, not a means to mount a more effective attack.

What do you guys think?

Monk · « **Reply #1 on:** September 10, 2002, 06:48:21 AM »

Anything is possible, the terrorists have time on their side.

miko2d · « **Reply #2 on:** September 10, 2002, 10:03:07 AM »

I have a foolproof way of bringing a significant amount of explosive onboard an airplane in US by even a single operative - say 20 pounds. Took me all of five minutes to come up with it and I have not been able to think of a way to counter it in a few weeks.

It's not something any wako from the street could do but for a half-decent terrorist organisation it would be a breeze.

I can't see it employed to hijack an airplane though - unless the small amount of explosive is used to blow cockpit doors open. That still leaves the question of them taking control and maintaining it while keeping the plane aloft on the way to a target. Considering very high probability that the plane will end up crashing rather than hitting target due to explosion damage, passenger action or intercept, the high number of operatives required for such an operation would be much better employed to blow up multiple planes.

miko

Eagler · « **Reply #3 on:** September 10, 2002, 10:06:33 AM »

I would think a chemical attack of some sort would be pretty easy to do as I have heard they allow those pepper spray keychain things on board as long as you have some sort of lock on it

vorticon · « **Reply #4 on:** September 10, 2002, 10:14:06 AM »

hey now dont go giving anyone ideas now.

Pongo · « **Reply #5 on:** September 10, 2002, 10:28:50 AM »

The antidote for nerve gass still leaves you sick and badly incapacitated. You cant move. and doenst everyone on an airliner have access to an oxegen mask? is the source for that recirculated or bottled?

AKSWulfe · « **Reply #6 on:** September 10, 2002, 10:46:12 AM »

I presume it's bottled Pongo.

If anything, I'd expect something more reminiscent of drug smugglers... not the traditional digestive tract...

think surgically... instead of a baby full of cocaine....
-SW

Maverick · « **Reply #7 on:** September 10, 2002, 10:51:10 AM »

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Originally posted by Pongo
The antidote for nerve gass still leaves you sick and badly incapacitated. You cant move. and doenst everyone on an airliner have access to an oxegen mask? is the source for that recirculated or bottled?

Airliners carry combustable oxygen generators for passengers. The air on board for the regular flight is supplied from ambient air outside after it is compressed by the engines and taken off the primary compressor as "bleed air". It is then cooled / heated as needed then used to pressurize the cabin.

LePaul · « **Reply #8 on:** September 10, 2002, 10:55:49 AM »

The hijackers/terrorists will just wait for us to get complacent again, if history is any teacher.

Masherbrum · « **Reply #9 on:** September 10, 2002, 11:05:15 AM »

yep to the last post.

K2

hawk220 · « **Reply #10 on:** September 10, 2002, 12:46:43 PM »

oh, no doubt.. if its one thing Americans are good at, its getting complacent.

Pongo · « **Reply #11 on:** September 11, 2002, 01:02:19 AM »

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Originally posted by Maverick

Airliners carry combustable oxygen generators for passengers. The air on board for the regular flight is supplied from ambient air outside after it is compressed by the engines and taken off the primary compressor as "bleed air". It is then cooled / heated as needed then used to pressurize the cabin.

Is that what comes out the little drop down masks? or is that bottled?

AKSWulfe · « **Reply #12 on:** September 11, 2002, 01:15:12 AM »

bottled Pongo... those are used even if they have engine failures.. no engines, no oxygen, those masks would be useless.

-SW

Animal · « **Reply #13 on:** September 11, 2002, 01:50:37 AM »

I dont think the next attack will be on a plane again.

They will try different unexpected methods. Probably ships or something like that.

whgates3 · « **Reply #14 on:** September 11, 2002, 03:16:40 AM »

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Originally posted by vorticon
hey now dont go giving anyone ideas now.

i think the only thing someone here is going to do is fly an imaginary P-47 into a simulated generic building - probably by accident...never trust those 'junior members' though...but trst thats in the biz for real has probably spent a lot more time meditating on the topic...anyway it probably takes a long time to manufature fedais