Anyone have a clue why the Ta152 is perked?

[fscott]

 

Anyone?

fscott

[SpitLead]

Good question.  I've often also wondered why the 109G-10 model is so dang fast.  It's faster than the P51D across the board and between 10k-25k feet it's the fastest airplane in the arena.  This just seems out of whack.  I've never heard the 109 was that fast though I don't have any hard data to back that up with.  Plus, it's got the best climb rate hands down.  If anything, the 109G-10 should be the perked airplane!  It's got a much better utility for the MA than the Ta152 except when you're buff busting at 30k and that's a pretty narrow role.  

[Nath-BDP]

G-10 requires lots of skill to fly, unlike a niki for example.

[Karnak]

SpitLead,
Late 109s were FAST!!!  The G-10 we have is just before they went to the K-4 model, and the K-4 only has some minor cosmetic differences from our G-10.

Bf109K-4 had a max speed of 452mph.
Spitfire MkXIV had a max speed of 448mph at 27,000ft.
P-51B had a max speed of 440mph.
P-51D has a max speed of 437mph.

The controls on the P-51 remain a lot more balanced at high speed than the others, though.  The 109 gets very heavy in both the aerilons and the elevators.  The Spitfire remains light on the elevatorbut gets heavy on the aerilon (though not as heavy as the 109) and eventually sufferes reversed aeirlon action due to wing warping.

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Shall be my brother

Bring the Spitfire F.MkXIVc to Aces High!!!

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-Karnak

[Karnak]

And no, it doesn't take lots of skill to fly.  More than the N1K2, yes, but not lots of skill.

C.202 takes lots of skill.

Slower Bf109s also take more skill.

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We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother

Bring the Spitfire F.MkXIVc to Aces High!!!

Sisu
-Karnak

[SpitLead]

Ok Karnak, you just proved my point.  The 109G-10 should be the perked plane.  It's the fastest between 10k-25k (approx.) and has the best climb rate by far.  What's the Ta-152 have the makes it the perked airplane?  It's not speed or climbing.  I'm with FScott on this one.  Perk the 109G-10!

[GRUNHERZ]

Spitlead try flying a whole tour in G10 and then youll know why it isnt perked, Its very fast and climbs well as it did in Rl, but it has no handling when fast as it locks up, its strong points are very difficult to use compared to nikis UFOness, spits turning, or chogs weapons. The 30mm cannon I prefer is good but its very hard to hit with and has only 60 bullets giving barely 6 seconds of fire, the 13mm guns are useless, plus you always need to get within 200yds of target to kill with 30mm, 300yds is longrange extreme shot. Im not saying that it isnt one of the better planes in AH when flown well- but its really really hard to use correctly. Compare that to tempest which is faster that 109, climbs almost as well, turns much better, and has 4 hispano cannon- its simply much easier to fly and kill in. Thats why G10 is not perked.

[Kratzer]

Maybe... but I have found the G10 to be one of the hardest aircraft for me to do well in.  If you have a great deal of experience and skill, and know how to use the advantages of the aircraft, it might be one of the best, but in most peoples' hands (e.g. MINE) it is a tricky bird.

[fscott]

STOP! Hold up the phone!

Get back to the question. Why is the Ta152 perked!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

fscott

[Karnak]

SpitLead,
The 109G-10 handles horribly at high speed.  It should not be perked.  Sorry if you took that from what I was saying, but at 450mph it REALLY wans to just fly in a straight lineand much above that it DOES just fly in a straight line.  Unfortunately, that is usally into the ground.

Sheer speed is not a good way to judge if a plane should be perked, you have to look at its overall performance.  The 109G-10 leaves a lot to be desired in a lot of ways.

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We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother

Bring the Spitfire F.MkXIVc to Aces High!!!

Sisu
-Karnak

[funked]

 

Anyone have a clue why the Ta152 is perked?

Probably because only a Stabsschwärm and a Staffel were equipped with the type during WWII.

[Karnak]

Fscott,

'Cause it really has the potential to be a game breaker, or at least seems to.  It may be that with further use it will be cheapened, or even unperked, but the jury is still out on it.

Like I told SpitLead, just looking at speed is not a good way to judge if a plane should be perked or not.  We have to look at its whole package.

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We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother

Bring the Spitfire F.MkXIVc to Aces High!!!

Sisu
-Karnak

[Nath-BDP]

Try a whole Gruppe, funkedup.

[Hans]

The Ta-152's element is high altitude.  It was designed at the time when Germany was being bombed by B-17 and B-24 raids.  Its intended purpose is high altitude bomber intercept.  Buzz right on by escort fighters and shoot bombers down.

It isn't good down low, and I'm surprised not many knew this.

Just look at that chart.  After about 25,000 feet, the Ta 152 just gets faster and faster, leaving the rest behind.

Its also got a low velocity 30mm cannon, which is not a good air-to-air figher weapon.  It is a bomber killer though.  If your above 25,000 feet fighting a Ta152, your not going to see it lose engine power untill 40,000 feet when the superchargers finnally hit their max output.  Of course most fighters superchargers on fighters have hit their max output long before that (that point on the charts where the speed just abruptly curves back).

Latewar German fighters are not dogfighters, they're all bomber interceptors.

Hans.

[Voss]

What Hans said.

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Voss
13th TAS