Author Topic: Perk the P51 B (Read 1895 times)

Wilbus · « **on:** September 12, 2002, 09:31:24 AM »

It's got almost the same speed as a Ta152 at the deck with wep (bout 5mph slower) it is much faster without wep (both planes without wep of course.

At all altitudes above 10k it climbs better. It is as fast as the Ta152 at 31k (best alt for AH Ta152).

It accelerates far better at all altitudes. It dives better and it turns FAR better and is easier to hit enemies with although the guns make FAR less dammage.

You can no longer see the 30k+ charts which is bad so you can't really check the speed there but can always try it.

Ok, well, actually, I don't want the P51 B perked but I think ya'll understand why I wrote this post, it's got the same/better performance then the Ta152 at almost all alts except for the Ta152 being slightly faster and slightly better climb bellow 10k.
Basicly these 2 planes are good at the same things but one is perked. Why? because it was a late war plane? Does that matter AT ALL when it comes to a very NON historic arena such as the MA?

Wilbus · « **Reply #1 on:** September 12, 2002, 09:32:25 AM »

Be nice to see how many people come in here and yell

Duedel · « **Reply #2 on:** September 12, 2002, 10:10:20 AM »

Wilbus I think ur right but I think also it has a to do with the production numbers.
Don't know if the same argumentation could be made with F4U-4.

Pongo · « **Reply #3 on:** September 12, 2002, 10:25:31 AM »

OK..if you give 2 mg151/20s and a mk108 to the pony b

vatiAH · « **Reply #4 on:** September 12, 2002, 10:27:00 AM »

Wil,

but they made more then 700 51b's

vati

Wilbus · « **Reply #5 on:** September 12, 2002, 10:45:37 AM »

Well Pongo, which will you get most kills in do you think? P51B is very good for long range shots, deflection shots and long range delfection shots.

With Mg151's you don't shoot at much more then 400, with Mk108 never more then 300 TOP (if you want a good chance to hit). Ta152 very hard to make delfection shots in because you don't see over the nose.

Should the armament alone perk a plane you think? Then perk the tiffie, 190 A8, La7 etc etc and everything else with 3x20's or more.

Just my argument anyway

*Slaps Vati* Go away evil man go away!! *runs away*

That's the problem I have vati, production numbers should have NOTHING to do with perks in AH, the F4u-1C wasn't perked because there were only 200 made (ok 4 times as many as there were Ta152 H's)

Same with you Duedel, production numbers shouldn't matter IMO, but they seem to do

vatiAH · « **Reply #6 on:** September 12, 2002, 12:22:07 PM »

Wil,

You know i'm only pulling your leg

There seems to be SOME GREY13 area with production numbers on the TA's anyway!!

Vati

Soulyss · « **Reply #7 on:** September 12, 2002, 12:24:40 PM »

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh wilbuz I was coming in here to slap you good for even suggesting perking one of my favorite planes.

but I can appreciate your frustration with the Ta-152

Furious · « **Reply #8 on:** September 12, 2002, 12:26:52 PM »

What you don't mention is the 51b's crap 6 view, propensity for unrecoverable stalls, and 4 50's.

Deflection shots in this plane don't cut it. You need solid bursts.

Damn Wilbus, you gotta have at least 5000 perks. Why all the fuss?

F.

Pongo · « **Reply #9 on:** September 12, 2002, 12:46:25 PM »

Wilbus if you dont see that the 152 has great guns then your missing something. Almost 0 convergence issues on 2 20mms and a 30mm. You only need the 30 if you are about to ram someone..at which time they disapear. Look at the diff between a la7 with 2 20mm and with 3. now imagine the third one is a 30mm...wow.
with the awsome flying qualities of the pony b. that gun load out would rock peoples worlds. Its like a G10 but the 13mms are 20mms...wow.

Innominate · « **Reply #10 on:** September 12, 2002, 01:17:48 PM »

Quote

Originally posted by Duedel
Wilbus I think ur right but I think also it has a to do with the production numbers.
Don't know if the same argumentation could be made with F4U-4.

Have you seen the production numbers for the n1k2? There were as many 262s as there were n1k2s.

The F4u4 is perked because it would be used way too much in the main arena. It is essentially a p51d that is better at high alt/high speed, and worse at low speeds. It should remain perked, but really needs to lose it's gangbang tags to have much chance in the MA environment.

The Ta152 isn't a great fighter at any altitude, it's not particularly versatile. If it were unperked, it would probably only see a little bit more use than it does now.

Glasses · « **Reply #11 on:** September 12, 2002, 01:35:38 PM »

Yes, that's why I'd rather see the Ta152 fixed than rather having it unperked, in all mentioned aspects of accel,climb,and top speed at alt. But if it's not fixed or is not intended to be fixed I sure hope it doesn't remain perked for a long time.

Red Tail 444 · « **Reply #12 on:** September 12, 2002, 01:45:12 PM »

Why were only 200 Cannon Hogs made? And, if perking is all about numbers, why is the niki not perked?

Also, were more hog-4's made than hog-c's? If so, why the discrepancy in perk points required for each ride?

I would not like to see the pony-B perked, although I doo see the case as to why it should / cold be. Interesting, I did not know that (re: performance specs)

Thanks, and great thread!

Hristo · « **Reply #13 on:** September 12, 2002, 01:47:33 PM »

Hmm, an unperked 152 ? This is not the purpose of this thread, I believe. The plane was extremely rare, close to C-Hog

. It should be perked.

As for performance, I just can't believe that Kurt Tank considered Dora only an intermediate step until Ta 152 is available. Being as it is in AH, it is like you are given a Ferrari until your Fiat arrives.

Ta 152 is not a bad plane, but isn't terribly good at anything too, except fuel endurance and dive. If that was Kurt Tank's finest, than damn, was he gay afterall ?

funkedup · « **Reply #14 on:** September 12, 2002, 01:54:01 PM »

Just be glad HTC modeled the B so conservatively. Manufacturer's testing yielded top speeds in excess of 450 mph.