Author Topic: Is the Pizza map actually FUN? (Read 800 times)

J_A_B · « **Reply #15 on:** September 12, 2002, 07:47:45 PM »

Urchin sums it up pretty well.

And he speaks for many. For every one person who likes Pizza-land, I see 5-6 who hate it.

J_A_B

beet1e · « **Reply #16 on:** September 12, 2002, 07:48:09 PM »

It has some good points - furballing and gangbanging are reduced, just as dbeav points out. It's different but, as I said the first day I saw it, it is a quite ridiculous map, and I doubt whether we'll be using it three months hence of when I first said it. It's not really a map on which the war can be won, because there will be several little wars going on all around. For example, the vehicle fields on the outer crust provide for some GV battles, but those fields are of no consequence to the main airfields - unless you planned to launch an LVT and sail across to the mainland for a field capture, assuming you had a few hours to spare. I also note that the three central islands have a vehicle base, but no airfield, and therefore these vehicle fields are of no strategic importance, and it's a bit of a waste of time going after them.

Eventually, the map will reset, when the various wars going on reduce the Rooks to 2 bases.

But I really like it because it's a slap in the gob with a wet fish for all those furball/gangbang/game-the-game whiners. Their LA7s don't like the altitude, but the Jugs love it.

palef · « **Reply #17 on:** September 12, 2002, 07:53:38 PM »

I've gone from "hating it", to "it's a map". I don't think I'll ever "LIKE" it per se.

palef

AKSWulfe · « **Reply #18 on:** September 12, 2002, 07:55:27 PM »

Depends who you are seeking to see more replies from J_A_B.... human mind is an evil thing, makes you see things you want to... despite how far from the truth they are.
-SW

J_A_B · « **Reply #19 on:** September 12, 2002, 08:39:04 PM »

All I know is that maybe one guy in my squad likes the AKDESERT map. So basically this map is universally disliked among my squadmates. On the "other" newsgroup I frequent, the AKDESERT map is also almost universally disliked. Even here on the AH BBS it's lucky to break even.

So I'm not "Seeing what I want to see" so much as among the people I hang around, the map has far more "dislikers" than "likers". Whether this is a trend for the entire AH player base is the real issue, and neither of us can answer that for certain.

I'd expect the AK squad--the people you hang around with--to have a larger proportion of people who like AKDESERT

J_A_B

AKSWulfe · « **Reply #20 on:** September 12, 2002, 09:05:28 PM »

I'm indifferent to this map, I suspect many in my squad are too... I dunno if they are or not. I don't hate it, I don't particularly like it... but it's something different, with everything for everyone, and that seems pretty good to me.

Of course, those who dislike the map will be the most vocal. If I counted the number of times I saw "I like it" vs "I hate it", yeah it would be 1:6... of course, how many times I saw it from the same person? Well, enough times to make it disproportionate to how many people really dislike it.

It's like people who hate N1K2s, Spits, or the growth on their wang. They will tell you day in and day out, "I hate this --"... While the people who like it will only say so in particular threads or whatever... but those who dislike it will start their own threads, announce it repeatedly over channel 1, or start a picket fence outside of the White House.

In the end, I see a lot of dislikes. I don't see a lot of dislikes from different people, nor do I see a lot of likes from different people. If anything, I see a lot of silence from the majority of AH players. To me, silence is indifference... so while you see a lot of dislikes, others see a lot of likes, I see the majority as indifferent...

But in the end, it doesn't matter.. but atleast it's something new... I'll start off by saying I disliked seeing the same maps in rotation forever. Many people here stated that.

Something new gets into rotation, unleash the dogs of whines.
-SW

JB73 · « **Reply #21 on:** September 12, 2002, 09:59:28 PM »

For me and my squad the feeling is pretty much the same....

we dont like it.

the textures hurt my eyes trying to find cons or dots or anything. (i run 1024x768 32bit both desktop and AH frame rates usually 60-80) this alone makes the game unpleasant.

yes we are rooks and we know the rooks are not the reset kings that the bish and knight are....but the rooks have never even been close to getting a reset on akdesert.

i cant count the times we went without dar because of the HQ bug. has any other country experienced this?

there are also some very uncomprimising base locations. tonight for example there was a port we had in the middle of the map. the nearest airfield for cover was over 2 sectors away. to have to fly 20+min to get gangbanged by 15 or so cons from the other base (a 5 min flight) away to the south is very frustrating.

it seems like all countries go through this though. 1 guy defending a flashing base and it is 5 GV's or something.

well that is my humble opinion on the desert map...

what i think would be the best map.... baltic with the high mountains of mindano.

here's what i mean (really badly though lol)
have the elements of mindano with the mountains and the gameplay of baltic

AKSWulfe · « **Reply #22 on:** September 12, 2002, 10:20:35 PM »

JB73, While I realise what you are saying-- taking the elements of Mindanao is simply not worthwhile.

Before the AK map, aka Pizza, which map do you think was complained about the most?

Mindanao... and why? because it was too hard to reset/bad base locations/one particular corner (lower right) always in the bucket, and the west/north country always having the upper hand.

Which is what gave way to the Pizza map- a perfectly even map. No one side has any territorial or elevational advantages.

And that's why we are where we are today....

There is no way to create a map that no one will complain about, and so... we have multiple maps to choose from.

Enjoy the ones you do, just play or log off on the ones you don't.

Simple enuff.
-SW

JB73 · « **Reply #23 on:** September 12, 2002, 10:28:47 PM »

ak i guess i wasn't real clear.. sry

basically if the desert map was green like the others and a bit more organic shaped it would be great. thats what i was trying to accomplish with my thoughts.

i understand the problems with mindano but the terrain is absoutly the best in the MA. the best fights i've ever had were in the trenches there. it's so exhilarating chasing or running through there ... up , down. where is the next dip so i can get speed.... it truly is the best.

the layout of baltic i think encourages the best teamwork and stratagey. it has something for everyone also. high alt and low alt bases. some the CV can get.. some it has no affect.

thats why i tried to explain melding the 2 into 1 uber map.

DrDea · « **Reply #24 on:** September 12, 2002, 10:29:48 PM »

Hate it.Always have always will.When I fly the numbers are low so it sucks in that situation.It DOES have something for everyone but with the player base as it is its to big.With double the base it would be outstanding.Theres just something for everyone.Being as burpin says a Bish scrote.........My opinion is biased due to overwhelming numbers and we run away,I run to the CT when this map is up.Love those canyons tho guys.Nice work on that.Its just about 6 months to a year to early.I think the pole would be a great Idea.Put it all right on the table.

AKSWulfe · « **Reply #25 on:** September 12, 2002, 10:44:26 PM »

I understand on the color issue JB73, that is basically either you like light colors or you like dark colors.

There's a thing about the desert map, the teamwork/strat area, canyons, etc.. all in there.. but they aren't front line fields like in Mindanao.. which basically encompasses the entire map.

Which is my point, the 2 in 1, 3 in 1, ultimate uber map idea... that's the AKDesert (Pizza) map...

Obviously a lot of people don't like it, not much to do about that but grin and bear it...

Basically, either you can have maps like Mindanao, Baltic, sfma(Uterus) as individual maps where small cliques will hate each one, one at a time..... or you build the all-encompassing map where each clique that hated the individual map will join forces and form the ultimate clique which is all of the smaller cliques that hate particular parts of each map... but now their forces have grown three fold.

I'm not defending the map, I'm not attacking anyone for not liking the map.. I'm just stating the cold hard facts of the situation.

Now... if someone wants to take it upon themselves to mesh the Baltic map and Mindanao map together and submit it to HTC... go right on ahead.

And that's the deal, a lot of people talk about creating the penultimate map.. or take their time to complain about particular features of particular maps, or particular maps in general.. but the ball can be in their court.

Don't like the map? Editor -> Download. Map -> Create. Either HTC accepts, or they don't. They do, don't be surprised when people hate it. You can include everything everyone wants, even a hot hooker, free beer and an abundance of virgin sheep... there will be people who will take it upon themselves to complain without taking it upon themselves to replace or create better.

-SW

Maverick · « **Reply #26 on:** September 12, 2002, 10:54:47 PM »

I like the "pizza" map as I can find fights that aren't major gangbangs when I want. If I want to be in a furball I can find those easily as well. If you can't find the fight you want on it you aren't trying.

Fariz · « **Reply #27 on:** September 13, 2002, 01:57:45 AM »

Pizza is the only map for the all history of AH which force me to log off often when I see it. I do not say that it designed bad, averagle it is not worse, and in many aspects better than many maps we got. But it is just too big. It is borring even when it is 400 people online, when it is 30 it is almost as good, as playing AH offline.

I really hope it is out of rotation till the time, when 500-1000 people online will be a usual situation.

runny · « **Reply #28 on:** September 13, 2002, 02:17:31 AM »

I like the pizza map. I like usually having several bases to take off from. I like knowing that whatever style of play I'm interested in, I can usually find it on the pizza map.

I don't really understand the complaints.

Flossy · « **Reply #29 on:** September 13, 2002, 02:31:09 AM »

Same here, Runny..... I have never been bored in the Pizza map yet. Unfortunately, it never seems to last long, though. I logged on last night for the first time since Monday as the game appeared to be down when I tried on Tuesday and Wednesday. There was the Pizza map already well on the way to reset.... no doubt that has probably happened by now.... I just had to make the most of it during my very limited time in there. Maybe next time I'll catch it a bit earlier.