Typhoon dweeb wants FM-2 perked!!??

[Puke]

fly the F6F correctly....and you eat spits for lunch.   - SLO

You mean against a newbie in a Spit or someone who's been around the block a few times?  If the latter, you have to tell me the secret.

innominate then why is the fm2 of f4f for that matter so much better of a fighter than the f6f?!?!  - JB73

WW2 was not an arena.  In WW2, a pilot could go a long time without ever seeing the enemy.  There wasn't a continual upping of aircraft that gain altitude on you and the furball you descend to ground level in.  Generally, in WW2, once combattants engaged, the furball exploded into many small battles and then the skies cleared and no one was around.  In an Arena setting, turning ability will be much more important than was historical because in the MA, there will always be someone within a few miles of you who is higher and faster.  The MA isn't WW2 and so there are slightly different strategies and tactics.

[AKIron]

That call for perking the FM2 was surely in jest. While I like the plane a lot, handles like a spit 5 but with armor, it's slow as molasses and has no cannon to boot.

[MwKAZ]

Surely it was in a frustrated jest.  I fly the FM2 regularly and to pull away from a dora or chase one down would be an impossible task with even alt and E.  The only way to catch half the fighters in the MA with an FM2 is to gauge ahead of time when to dive down at a semi to steep angle to intercept.  When they have used up some of their E reserve, it does give up an opportunity to "catch" them, but then again, so can other fighters.  Admittedly, I still suck at this game, maybe in the top chart of the worst.  But to perk the FM2????? For what reason, speed?  Just over 300 light and level, I think not. Firepower??? 4 50's are hardly a massive death of destruction, especially when not within 450.  Turning??? a good pilot in any "turner" plane can hold it's own.  Roll????? FW's twirl faster than a baton.  JABO??? 6 rockets and a couple of measly GP bombs is hardly the base closier.

I'm sure it was a frustrated gesture due to getting the best of him.  Forget the RL stuff, this is a sim game.... and the question is:  Does the FM2 have an overwhelming advantage over most or all MA aircraft.....hardly

My $.02
Good Hunting!!!!!

[SlapShot]

Widewing,

The only problem I see with this post is that you are bringing to light a well kept secret. Geesh !!!  

I have been flying this plane, amost exclusivly, and have been enjoying being underestimated and taken lightly by others.

I insist that you cease and desist with divulging any more information or statistics about the FM2. Let others, find out about it up close and personal.

[airspro]

It ain't that hard to get kills and land them off a cv in that plane IMO .

[Puke]

Sprocket, WTG!!

Kuer, Spit dweeb!  


LOL

[F4UDOA]

Heya Widewing,

I know you are friends with Corkey Myer but I really would have pause before I put the F6F in the same speed catogory with the F4U-1. Even Corkey said in his report that the F4U was about 25Knots faster at sea level. When you consider that most of that is due to drag since they had the same engine. How could they be the same at 20K? I know He reported that the low blower was more efficient in the F4U but really. 25Knots?

Even Vought list the F6F-5 as a 400MPH A/C in their test. And in the test between the Zeke and F6F/F4U the top speeds attained were 403MPH for the F6F-5 and 413MPH for the F4U-1D. I'm listing this from memory so I hope I'm right. It might even be 409MPH for the F6F-5 I'm not sure. Also the British tested these birds and had the F4U about 25MPH faster at 18K. 400MPH to about 375MPH but that was tested with a radar station I believe. I have to post that AFDU here soon.

In any case the F6F-5 is 400MPH bird but not quite...

[Karnak]

I have no actual data to back this up, but in my opinion the F4F and FM2 either turn much better than they should or the A6M2 and A6M5b turn much worse than they should.  As it is, it is nigh suicide for an A6M of any kind to turn with an F4F / FM2 and must use its marginally better speed and climb to BnZ the F4F / FM2.

Wingloading and powerloading of six manuverable fighters ranked best to worst:

Wingloading:

A6M2:
Empty: 15.34lbs/sq.ft.
Loaded: 22.00lbs/sq.ft.

A6M5a:
Empty: 18.18lbs/sq.ft.
Loaded: 26.38lbs/sq.ft.

Spitfire Mk Vb:
Empty: 20.93lbs/sq.ft.
Loaded: 27.48lbs/sq.ft.

FM2:
Empty: 20.95lbs/sq.ft.
Loaded: 31.81lbs/sq.ft.

F4F-4:
Empty: 22.25lbs/sq.ft.
Loaded: 30.67lbs/sq.ft.

Spitfire Mk XIV:
Empty: 27.27lbs/sq.ft.
Loaded: 34.61lbs/sq.ft.


Powerloading:

Spitfire Mk XIV:
Empty: 3.22lbs/hp.
Loaded: 4.07lbs/hp.

Spitfire Mk Vb:
Empty: 3.52lbs/hp.
Loaded: 4.62lbs/hp.

A6M5a:
Empty: 3.69lbs/hp.
Loaded: 5.35lbs/hp.

A6M2:
Empty: 3.90lbs/hp.
Loaded: 5.59lbs/hp.

FM2:
Empty: 4.04lbs/hp.
Loaded: 6.08lbs/hp.

F4F-4:
Empty: 4.82lbs/hp.
Laoded: 6.65lbs/hp.


Unless there is something funky going on with the F4Fs wings it should not be outturning A6Ms often, and should be about a match for the Spitfire Mk V, though the Mk V can probably sustain the turn longer.

[Widewing]

Originally posted by Karnak
I have no actual data to back this up, but in my opinion the F4F and FM2 either turn much better than they should or the A6M2 and A6M5b turn much worse than they should.  As it is, it is nigh suicide for an A6M of any kind to turn with an F4F / FM2 and must use its marginally better speed and climb to BnZ the F4F / FM2.
 

My experience is that the FM-2 is about equal to the A6M5, but inferior in turning ability to the A6M2. Which is historically accurate.

When I am defending a base against FM-2s or F4Fs, I take the A6M2 and have no difficulty out-turning the Wildcats.

My regards,

Widewing

[J_A_B]

Part of the problem might be the fact that the A6M5 we have is basically the worst one.

J_A_B

[wulfie]

Come on dude, this doesn't even warrant a post on the BBS.

Do you really think tha Pyro, HT, anc Co. would *ever* perk the FM-2?

Not flaming you at all - but have some faith in the common sense of the guys who run HTC. Just because someone whines about something in the MA doesn't mean it has a hope in hell of happening.

Mike/wulfie

[Karnak]

Widewing,

Seems to me that the F4F-4 should turn about like a Spitfire Mk Vb (which turns worse than the A6M5b), and the FM2 should turn slightly worse than the Spitfire Mk Vb and F4F-4.  The crude numbers make it look that way to me in any case.

[Widewing]

Originally posted by wulfie
Come on dude, this doesn't even warrant a post on the BBS.

Do you really think tha Pyro, HT, anc Co. would *ever* perk the FM-2?

Not flaming you at all - but have some faith in the common sense of the guys who run HTC. Just because someone whines about something in the MA doesn't mean it has a hope in hell of happening.

Mike/wulfie

It was posted out of a sense of amazement, not concern. As in amazement that you misunderstood the post.

Secondly, this is a "general discussion" board, and therefore beyond the jurisdiction of the self-appointed BBS police.  

My regards,

Widewing

[hazed-]

seems to me that the f4f and fm2 should in no way match the zero in turns and I must say ive never seen it happen.
is it true that in AH it can??

seems to me every american plane in this game performs to some kind of propaganda report on their performance? when you read about them in combat reports you hear stories like them having to engage in numbers because it was deadly to turn with the japanese planes etc but it rarely seems to match what we see in AH.I have to say i think HTC being an american company catering for american players has much to do with it.I dont know if its overmodelling of their fighters or undermodelling of other nations fighters but there can be little doubt that the american planes in this game have the top performers in most areas.I only hope it has some ring of truth to it(fm2 outturning zeros? etc) but i suspect its just a tweak here and there to please the americans customers.sorry thats just the way it appears to me.

look at the difference in performance in AH to the other simulators like CFS, IL2 etc.The difference is quite enourmous so someone must be wrong.If i saw a few really badly performing areas in AH i might just suspect all thos other games have it wrong but after seeing how much damage the f6fs and f4fs can take, how easy they are to fly compared to LW planes, the way they all seem to climb like love sick angels with over 3000 lbs of ordinance etc I begin to suspect this isnt really the case.

I have started to fly more allied stuff in AH purely because i got sick of the things that happen flying LW planes that frustrate and annoy.especially weak wing tips/ engine oil / radiators, 50 cal super guns vs super weak 13mm etc and Ive come to regard AH as a game rather than a sim.I try to ignore all the stuff on the bbs now claiming its all perfectly correct too, I have books written by british pilots about LW planes and american bomber crews that seem to contradict what i see in AH, but ive given up trying to see why.It just gets even more frustrating.

Im looking forward to seeing how the shooting star outperforms the me262 in AH (lol), I bet it will dont you?

[Samm]

This thread turned into LW conspiracy thread pretty fast .