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Offline Midnight

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« on: September 18, 2002, 03:49:12 PM »
http://www.techtv.com/cybercrime/digitaldisputes/story/0,23008,3344180,00.html

I was looking for some electrical codes for the state of Texas and was getting very upset when the only thing I could find was books to buy. Read the article on the link, and you will see why it is the way it is.

What a crock! :mad:

For me to find out 3 simple laws, I have to either go to a Texas library or buy the books for a couple hundred dollars.

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« Reply #1 on: September 18, 2002, 04:11:05 PM »
Westlaw has turned it into a big enterprise, too.

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« Reply #2 on: September 18, 2002, 04:27:01 PM »
You might consider contacting the county/city invloved. Perhaps they could fax you a copy of the code in question?
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« Reply #3 on: September 18, 2002, 04:29:30 PM »
I thought of that myself Iron. However, I do not know the exact codes I am looking for, just the general principals. I suppose I could get lucky and talk to a person that is actually helpful... if there are any in the Texas offices ;)

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« Reply #4 on: September 18, 2002, 04:39:12 PM »
What are the questions?

I have the NEC here at work.


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« Reply #5 on: September 18, 2002, 05:06:19 PM »
<--- Member of an NFPA committe, NEC nearby also. Shoot.

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« Reply #6 on: September 19, 2002, 12:11:01 PM »
Several of our branch offices in Texas had a virtual disaster for network cabling. We contracted a company to re-install new network cabling to correct some of the problems.

This is a snippet from the document.
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4.2   Professional Network Installation
Each site will need a professional category 5-network installation.  This will include a properly mounted RJ-45 jack located at each workstation and wired back to a terminating patch panel. Each jack will be labeled with the corresponding port number on the patch panel.  Each patch cable will be labeled, on each end, with its corresponding port or Workstation ID#.  All cabling will be properly installed in accordance with local and state electrical codes.
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Most of the project has been completed, but there still seems to be some problems and inconsistancies in the cabling between offices. So I am looking for what the published codes are to compare against what we got.

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« Reply #7 on: September 19, 2002, 12:55:42 PM »
wow, that's pretty broad.

You would have to read the whole damn book and them some to ensure that it meets all applicable codes.
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All cabling will be properly installed in accordance with local and state electrical codes.

That phrase is a catch all written by the specifier in an attempt to relieve himself of liability by forcing compliance on the contractor.  The codes in question deal primarily with life safety issues, and that is what the above phrase is meant to cover.

To ensure better compliance by the contractor the specification needed to have been better written by your specifier.

Sorry, that's not much help.  Did you have an architect, engineer or project manager involved?


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« Reply #8 on: September 19, 2002, 01:43:50 PM »
I wrote it. Yes, it is a catch all but that's the point. I do not know what the specific codes are in that area.

The reason for the simplicity of the statement is due to there being 16 seperate offices that needed the Cat-5 cables installed. However, the offices are small and only have 3 or 4 computers each. Not big enough jobs to warrant the expense of referencing specific codes.

The idea was that the contractor would use the commonly accepted standards for the area and apply them to each office, rather than what we ended up getting. So basically, I need to know the codes regarding low voltage, category 5 network cabling in a small business office.

Anyway, the contractor we hired are supposed to be network systems experts, so we did not feel the need to spell out every detail for them. It was understood that they would make the installations on category 5 standards (Cable selection, splicing methods, terminations, color codes, etc.)
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« Reply #9 on: September 19, 2002, 02:52:30 PM »
There may be no local standards regarding telephone / network cables. Most codes are written for safety not for functionality. Since the cables don't pose a fire hazard they may not be referenced in a code, or the code may just reference back to the manufacturers suggested installation.

The NEC section 800 is all about communication circuits and proper wiring.