Dive bombing CVs

[Yeager]

Too easy?

[StSanta]

No.

With the quakeish behaviour of CV commanders giving a flak umbrella and vulching fields the way they do, they deserve that I take a JU88, head over them at 7k, dive in drop eggs, kill CV (and then i die).

Fix that, and perhaps  .

Besides, will be hard to dive bomb CV's if they have a CAP in place. So it seems to me it's not a game thing, but rather a player one (like the gamey flak umbrella one)  

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9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
"If you're not living on the edge, you're taking up space"

[leonid]

Agree, StSanta.

[AKDejaVu]

Maybe, but I didn't think that the few times I was 1-pinged by flak on the way in.

AKDejaVu

[Ripsnort]

Too easy if you're part of a 10-man horde in the general area, too difficult if you are a lone dive bomber.

It should require more ord to take her down, not because of historical data(probably took less), but one of gameplay.

[Jimdandy]

I think it's about right. The flack from hell capping the base when the fleet is parked of shore easily balances any dive bombing ease. I'm just tired of the Ack 'O' Ramma parked off the shore. Generally that duty was left to BB, CA, DD Task Forces to perform. And even at that they were really there for bombardment to suppress shore batteries, troops, etc in preparation for a landing. The CV group stayed WAY beyond the range of their 5" guns. The planes were what did the grunt work. As it is now the CV can not only supply flack support for it's planes but shore bombardment with it's 5" guns. On top of that if there was a big dog fight over the CV group they weren't popping of GIANT shot gun shells into the middle of their buddies above. In those situations the smaller cal. weapons were used for anything that got thru. If at all possible the CV group relied on it's air cover for protection. If I remember right the F8F was specifically designed with that in mind. Not that it couldn't do more of course.

[This message has been edited by Jimdandy (edited 02-17-2001).]

[Wegaman]

yes, I have seen 1 lone lancaster up from a field go in at 7 K, and suicide bobm our CV.

i have also seen a p47 dive bobm and destroy the CV.

    CV's should be MUCH harder to kill... please mUHC MUHC harder. Maybe lessen the ack a bit?

[Tac]

Not to mention that if there happens to be a dweeb manning the 5" flak gun he will kill you the instant you dive.

[Wegaman]

Oh so manning the guns and defending the CV is dweebish. Thanks for clearing that up....I actually hate it, nbodoy will defend the CV so 1 plane can kill it.


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[Yeager]

I dunno...

Heres the scoop: Fly a heavy buff at about 7-9k and drop on CV.  Its dead!

Twice in one half hour, two bish CVs, after spending many hours to get south, were easily dropped on by a 17 and a lanc both under 10k.  Buffs survived without visible damage.

Using torpedos in a TBM or JU88 is almost worthless as getting close enough to drop accurately just doesnt happen much due to fighter cover and the lethal ack when within 2k of target.

Yeager

[Jigster]

I think the only thing that is overdone to extent is 5" fire...I think all the AI guns always fire, whether they would be able to track you through turrent traverse or not. Then there's the friendly fire issue...

The smaller caliber fire seems is pretty tamed compared to the real ones...those gun crews threw up so many tracers it looked like a wall.

- Bessy

[Sandman_SBM]

 

Originally posted by Yeager:
I dunno...

Heres the scoop: Fly a heavy buff at about 7-9k and drop on CV.  Its dead!

Twice in one half hour, two bish CVs, after spending many hours to get south, were easily dropped on by a 17 and a lanc both under 10k.  Buffs survived without visible damage.

Yeager

Hmmm... Carrier aircraft are both offensive and defensive weapons. The deck guns are not enough to hold back an attack. This is as it should be, IMHO.

[LJK Raubvogel]

With the magic ack, its about right. Maybe make the CV a bit tougher if the ack is toned down a bit. And what's up with the ack magnet in the engine of the 109s?

[Torgo]

 

Originally posted by Ripsnort:

It should require more ord to take her down, not because of historical data(probably took less), but one of gameplay.

Well, keep in mind a couple of things:

1) Technically, this is an Essex-class carrier, which is pretty damn big, bigger than the Yorktowns/Enterprise and Wasp, (though not as big as the 1st Lexington and Saratoga), and by the time they showed up in the war, American damage control was a fine art, and by far the best in WWWII. No Essex  has ever been sunk.

2) There's no modeling of flight deck damage without sinking the thing, in AH.

That is, relatively FEW hits would have been needed to render it impossible to take off and land on one. No more than 1-2 1000lbers on the flight deck prob. means it's out of combat, for at least a few hours.

But a LOT of damage to physically sink one.

[Torgo]

 

Originally posted by Yeager:
I dunno...

Heres the scoop: Fly a heavy buff at about 7-9k and drop on CV.  Its dead!

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Was anyone weaving the fleet when they were dropped on?

The very few times I've had control of a CV I announced to people to tell me if they saw a level bomber heading for it at altitude, and I'd auger and start weaving the thing, and it wasn't hit.  Pisses off people trying to take off and land, so you need to time it so you don't do it until it JUST screws up the bomb run.

But, properly weaving, it SHOULD be very hard to hit from 7K+...

Just as it was essentially impossible for ships under way to EVER be hit by level bombers in the actual WWII.