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« Reply #15 on: September 21, 2002, 11:54:40 AM »
bad assumtion seagoon , what the numbers say to me is the knights and bish fight each other more than they fight the rooks

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« Reply #16 on: September 21, 2002, 12:21:12 PM »
In the for what it's worth department. Being in one of those squads that more around I have to say that I always have the most fun flying for Rooks. I think the fact that they are on most nights out numbered has built in a common goal and or mind set with them that breeds a certain comradery. Take it from me Rook's you cats are a class act!!!

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« Reply #17 on: September 21, 2002, 01:02:15 PM »
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bad assumtion seagoon , what the numbers say to me is the knights and bish fight each other more than they fight the rooks


John, this is not an assumption. Its actually simple math. Mathematically the more kills and losses over the same time frame = more sorties = more players.

Now for those who require pictures, I'll tell you what, I'll take random screenshots of the current roster and I think you'll see that the rooks commonly have 10%-30% fewer players than the Knights or Bishops. If you extrapolate that over a period of time you get the numbers that I posted.

Here is Screen Shot #1 taken right now.
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« Reply #18 on: September 21, 2002, 01:20:50 PM »
OOOPS... Here is the pic.

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« Reply #19 on: September 21, 2002, 01:26:12 PM »
What I think would aid the thorough research of this would be a way to find who won a reset and when (a sort of global stats page) and also team stats (number of playerhours, number of bases taken, lost, etc.)  I'm a die-hard Rook and we do get reset, i think, more than our share, but usually, yes, it's the Bishd pushing to reset the Knights with us there to bother the Bish flank.  Oftentimes the Knights seem not to want to deal with Bish, so they attack us.  But that's the way the game goes.  BOTTOM LINE: More stats.

(Being a Rook has it's perks.  Like being down 20-40 players and still rolling over someone like we do oftentimes.  Damn, if you stick with a team like the Rooks you are either a dedicated pilot or dense.....errr, forget I said that).

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« Reply #20 on: September 21, 2002, 01:33:10 PM »
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there are so many misstatments in your post i can't even begin to correct them , take off the rook blinders and see what really happens in the MA


Naaa... he's hittin it pretty good.
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« Reply #21 on: September 21, 2002, 01:35:38 PM »
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John, this is not an assumption. Its actually simple math. Mathematically the more kills and losses over the same time frame = more sorties = more players.

Now for those who require pictures, I'll tell you what, I'll take random screenshots of the current roster and I think you'll see that the rooks commonly have 10%-30% fewer players than the Knights or Bishops. If you extrapolate that over a period of time you get the numbers that I posted.

Here is Screen Shot #1 taken right now.


Been there-done that Seagoon.  Your answer will be "Gee how do we know you didn't take those pix at the most convenient times for you?"

Fact is... the masses will always choose the path of least resistance.  That path does not include being outnumbered.

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« Reply #22 on: September 21, 2002, 01:42:14 PM »
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John, this is not an assumption. Its actually simple math. Mathematically the more kills and losses over the same time frame = more sorties = more players.


No.  It's bad logic.

1 bish kills 10 guys in one sortie and gets vulchted 10 times.

10 kills 10 deaths.

5 rooks kill 5 guys and all die.

5 kills 5 deaths.



And your screen shot is inductively biased.

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« Reply #23 on: September 21, 2002, 05:40:23 PM »
Ok. My bad. In apologetics they train you never to assume that a person has the same presuppositions, experience, educational background that you do. I forgot that rule here.

Let me back-up one step more and show how the numbers I posted prove the point I was trying to make.

In the MA we have three nations, therefore each nation is at war with two other nations. All of the nations use the same planeset and gravitate towards the same high-end planes (which is why there is always a surplus of LA7s, Nikis, Spits IXs). Given all of this the experiences of pilots from each nation will be generally very similar. Now when a pilot from these nations takes off there are 2 possibile ways in which he can affect the numbers I posted. 1) He gets kills or 2) He is shot down. The only way he can *not* affect the numbers in a sortie is if 3) He takes off and does not get killed and does not shoot someone down. This would be the case if say I took off and flew away from all combat or augured immediately after take off with no enemy planes around. Experience teaches us however that most missions result in options 1 or 2 and often 1 AND 2.

Now, IF we are to assume, as several of you seem to, that there are roughly equal numbers of all three nations then the numbers would be roughly the same given the same number of sorties. If one nation was composed of pilots who were markedly BETTER than the pilots of other nations, the KILLS register would be higher. If they were markedly worse the KILLED register would be higher. The numbers though generally even out within limits - kills to killed are usually pretty similar, and this is reflected in the fact that most planes types do not have a K/D over 2.

Given these factors, the ONLY way the Rooks could be showing such markedly lower numbers (close to 20K) in the Kills/Killed area would be if Rooks were quite substantially more likely to avoid combat or auger behind the lines. The idea that the numbers simply show that Knights and Bishops are more likely to fight each other rather than Rooks is absurd, because that would require the existence of another mystery country X that the rooks were fighting instead of the Knights and Bishops. Think on this and you'll see how it works. Rooks have to be fighting somebody when they sortie (Bishops or Knights), given roughly the same number of pilots, those combats would produce different numbers. "Vulching" doesn't provide a magic way out either, as if the Bishops and Knights always tusseled with each other exclusively our KILLS would be much higher as we vulched bases with no one trying to fight us (we'd also be reseting the knights and bish 30% more often than they reset us - see how this works).

Unless you really want to defend one of these theories:

1) Rooks avoid combat and usually take off and fly away from the enemy
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2) There is a mystery country X that the Rooks are fighting.

then the only logical explanation is THAT THE ROOKS CONSISTENTLY HAVE FEW PILOTS ONLINE! This QED is the only logical explanation for those numbers.

Now to show you that this bears out I'll tell you what I'll do, I will try to post the Roster from each day at 12pm and 6:00pm. This avoids any chance of me waiting for the right odd "moment" and then grabbing non-typical numbers. I think what you will find though is that Bishop and Knight numbers are consistently roughly the same, while the Rook numbers are between 10-30% lower. This usually makes from anything from a 35/35/30 breakout to a 40/40/20 breakout.

With that in mind here is todays MA roster at 6:04 PM ET.

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« Reply #24 on: September 21, 2002, 05:59:46 PM »
I would like to go "On the Record"
That I am a ROOK and have contributed very much to the imbalance in the numbers...

EXAMPLE:

TOUR 32 STATS:
 
BOOT of the Rooks has 8 kills and has been killed 33892 times against the Bishops.


BOOT of The Rooks has 3 kills and has been killed 34157 times against the Knights.


:rolleyes: