Author Topic: Tiger Tank (Read 834 times)

mauser · « **Reply #30 on:** September 21, 2002, 03:18:17 AM »

I like the Tiger more than the Panther for sentimental reasons. Technically the Panther was more useful in maneuver type warfare. Armor was sloped also on the Panther. However, I think the Tiger Fibel mentions that when engaging targets, do not face the hull directly at your foe, but at an angle such that you're presenting horizontal angles to enemy shells (does that make sense?).

I hope we get the German optics though for both panzers. They use pre-calibrated size triangles so you can gauge the height or length/width of the target and calculate range using mils. Our current sight is based on Allied sights I think (which by the way, couldn't zoom..., but German optics had two preset magnifications... I think these two changes could make tank warfare engagement ranges more realistic) , and range estimation can be done with the horizontal lines.

I have "Tigers In Combat Vol.2" from Federowitz Publishing. It mentions that hybrid Tigers did exist... I don't have a scanner though so I can't post. There was a photo of a Tiger with the rubber rimmed wheels like Natdog has with the late cupola. Anyway, she looks great

mauser

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #31 on:** September 21, 2002, 04:56:36 AM »

There were a bunch of Tigers with the late cupola and rubber wheels. They were the standard mid production variant.

NATEDOG's Tiger is clearly meant to be an early and as such has got a few important details wrong and some others missing.

A Tiger I had nearly the same armor everywhere, front was 100 vertical and sides/rear 80 vertical so it wouldnt make too much difference which way it faces the enemy. But lets imagine they turned so that the front left corner faces the enemy. You now have sloped armor when viewed from above. But you prent a much bigger target. I have never examined a Tiger or Panther Fibel but I imagine thats what they were talking about. Horizontal as in as parallel as possible to the incoming shell.

Samm · « **Reply #32 on:** September 21, 2002, 05:02:02 AM »

Will it come with pink paint shells ?

hazed- · « **Reply #33 on:** September 21, 2002, 03:46:38 PM »

looks like a lovely bit of modeling doesnt it

what im hoping for is that we see behaviour of the damage model that matches the dozens of stories about how they were almost immune to shells fired at any distance.Theres one account of a tiger being hit 120 (!!!) times and still not being stopped.

The only thing in AH that should possibly destroy a tiger is a 1000lb bomb, (possibly 500lber?) or a very close shot by a 75mm ap shell in the rear armour.

The majority of tigers that were lost were actually abandoned rather than knocked out from shells so in AH i think they should be a very dangerous weapon.

I do worry a little though that their 88mm gun firing HE shells will not be powerfull enough but im hoping the damage from HE shells is adjusted soon.Seems to take far too many HE shells at the moment to knock out buildings imo.

hazed- · « **Reply #34 on:** September 21, 2002, 03:47:17 PM »

looks like a lovely bit of modeling doesnt it

what im hoping for is that we see behaviour of the damage model that matches the dozens of stories about how they were almost immune to shells fired at any distance.Theres one account of a tiger being hit 120 (!!!) times and still not being stopped.

The only thing in AH that should possibly destroy a tiger is a 1000lb bomb, (possibly 500lber?) or a very close shot by a 75mm ap shell in the rear armour.

The majority of tigers that were lost were actually abandoned rather than knocked out from shells so in AH i think they should be a very dangerous weapon.

I do worry a little though that their 88mm gun firing HE shells will not be powerfull enough but im hoping the damage from HE shells is adjusted soon.Seems to take far too many HE shells at the moment to knock out buildings imo.

still we live in hope

Im sure HTC has something up their sleeves

Karnak · « **Reply #35 on:** September 21, 2002, 06:12:59 PM »

GRUNERZ,

The important part of Staga's post is the introduction date. The Tiger I was introduced much, much earlier than the Panther V G and thus is more useful in scenarios.

john9001 · « **Reply #36 on:** September 21, 2002, 07:13:45 PM »

in the MA the tiger will only be used for defense, it was VERY slow and broke down alot

Gwjr2 · « **Reply #37 on:** September 21, 2002, 08:21:28 PM »

I hope it uses the true sight and not the sherman as the Pan we have now...just my .02

Urchin · « **Reply #38 on:** September 21, 2002, 11:47:53 PM »

Actually, I think the Tiger will be fodder. I hope they don't perk it more than 1 or 2 points, because any GV in the game can be killed quite easily by any airplane. You dont even have to actually kill it. You take a track off a tank and he's just wasted the 30 minutes he spent poking his way up some hill, and now it is exit to 're-up' and hope you are luckier next time, or wait around for a Flakpansie or some plane with bombs or rockets or Hispanos to kill you.

I don't know. I think the Panzer IV is completely and totally porked anyway, so I doubt if the Tiger will be much of an improvement.

Fishu · « **Reply #39 on:** September 22, 2002, 03:11:33 AM »

Just wait, you'll see hispano dweebs win another round.

Wolfhere · « **Reply #40 on:** September 22, 2002, 07:28:54 AM »

If they model the late model Tiger I, hispanos are not going to be effective, even hitting the top armor. Top armor was 40-50mm, and figuring the angle of attack will be 45 deg at best, the rounds will just bounce.

The hispanos could track it however.

brady · « **Reply #41 on:** September 22, 2002, 07:46:20 AM »

Panzer IVH had 10 to 15 mm top armor

The Tiger we see above in all models had 25mm of top armor.

The King Tiger had 40mm top armor.

Realisticaly the abaility for aircraft to "Track" tanks with cannon or MG fire is an AH game play device and bears so little resmbalance to actual combat hapanstance to be a personal sorce of amusement/iration.

brady · « **Reply #42 on:** September 22, 2002, 07:49:47 AM »

King Tiger:

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #43 on:** September 22, 2002, 08:00:02 AM »

Yea brady MG detracking tanks is silly, but only as silly as a single MG34 ripping the wing off an FW190. HTC needs to rethink both.

Wotan · « **Reply #44 on:** September 22, 2002, 08:02:04 AM »

take a look at the front / side and back view of our pIV h.

You think it would not to be that easy to de-track, so as brady suggests it would seem to be a pure gameplay concession.