Author Topic: SERIOUS!! please read/respond (Read 680 times)

Seeker · « **Reply #15 on:** December 27, 2001, 06:45:00 AM »

Defcon,
You should be flying more events. Your points are vailid, but unanswerable by HTC. It's a buisness that has to cater for the lowest common denominator (the MA), and hopefully that great mass of unwashed will throw out enough pearls of every type to be able to cater more specificaly for every type.

Just now we're seeing an MA average occupany of around 200 (at least, when I log on...), and a CT occupancy of around 10; which gives you an idea of the proportions. You're best bet is to hope the great unwashed in the MA swell to around 500, odds are that could throw out a CT occupancy of around 30-40, which is enough to make it viable. Viva la MA! Vival la CT, and all that....

AKSWulfe · « **Reply #16 on:** December 27, 2001, 07:00:00 AM »

Seeker, the hours I fly (which are of course prime time US and you are probably working or sleeping then), the MA is around 250-330 people. The CT can be anywhere from 5 to 50 or even 60 people. Of course this does not benefit you, but I'm just trying to offer you another perspective.

I think that when the arena becomes more fleshed out (scoring enabled, things like that- a way to track your successes automatically), then the CT will become a popular arena too. It's just that a lot of guys fly for score, and I admit, I don't fly the CT much because I have no way to track how well/poorly I do in there. (that's just me of course)

It's still a new arena, but atleast it's getting used.
-SW

lazs1 · « **Reply #17 on:** December 27, 2001, 07:52:00 AM »

hortlund.. if you spread the fields farther apart or even leave em the same then people will tend to clump at one or two spots on the map. Closer fields actually spreads out the numbers more evenly.

yeager.. everyone does kill me.. except you of course.
lazs

Hortlund · « **Reply #18 on:** December 27, 2001, 08:18:00 AM »

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Originally posted by lazs1:
hortlund.. if you spread the fields farther apart or even leave em the same then people will tend to clump at one or two spots on the map. Closer fields actually spreads out the numbers more evenly.

Why? ..No,wait lets take this to the other thread (the "the fields really...")

[ 12-27-2001: Message edited by: Hortlund ]

Kieran · « **Reply #19 on:** December 27, 2001, 09:17:00 AM »

I haven't had a bath in weeks, so as one of the "unwashed", let me ask a question: how are you guys so sure I am not having fun? Please, tell me how YOU know so I will know when I am not having fun (even when I think I am).

I don't want anyone to save me from the MA chaos, the CT "organization", the scenario "one-life", WW mayhem, TOD campaign, squad organization and affiliation, or lone-wolfing. I like it all, and you know what? It's all available to me.

Some of you guys need to come to grips with the fact you can play just about any way you like in this game, but the one thing you really don't have any control over is what the rest of the players do. This is what is really bothering you. Stop trying to control what others do and appreciate the control you have over yourselves.

lazs1 · « **Reply #20 on:** December 27, 2001, 09:33:00 AM »

kieran... they know you are having fun... that's what pisses em off.

Their moms made the other kids play with em when they were little... They see no reason why HTC shouldn't do the same now.
lazs

Defcon4 · « **Reply #21 on:** December 27, 2001, 11:58:00 AM »

I am not questioning planeset or what ever, i am glad everyone has a good time

what i am saying is that maybe there needs to be a second main arena where the more serious squad activities or even individual activities are enjoyed.

yes its a buisness, i applaud htc for there great game. people fly they way they wish i have no problem with that. I like all of you have enjoyed furballs, vulch fest etc

in RL you didn't just up any where, fly anywhere etc. i'd just like to see more strategic and tactical aspecs

I have nothing against anyone but everyone knows that the AW invasion has brought with it much frustration, over crowding, etc

If this is to be arcade style game i'll still enjoy it

I'd just like to see main the way it was

Seeker · « **Reply #22 on:** December 27, 2001, 12:18:00 PM »

"I haven't had a bath in weeks, so as one of the "unwashed", let me ask a question: how are you guys so sure I am not having fun?"

That's kind of my point, Kieran; in an bellybutton backwards way....

The MA should be the most fun, for the most people, always; or at least, that's my take on it.

Out of that "most people" (aka the unwashed

), only a realatively small proportion would be dissatisfied/motivated enough to try something else....

At the moment, it's seems to be about 10-20%, very rarely (if ever)reaching 25% of the logged on player base.

At that rate, to get a really active CT population of, say, 50? you'd need around 300 -500 people logged on on average.

Which is something I think would be great!

So here's to overfull arena bursting at the seams, I reckon that's a better bet to get a full CT than closing the MA down at pre determined times, as has been earlier suggested. Fill that MA up! Fill it up I say!, then we'll see more posts like this thread starter, and we'll be able to say go to the CT/TOD/Snapshoot/Scenario and have a very full, and very diverse AH community.

akak · « **Reply #23 on:** December 27, 2001, 07:54:00 PM »

But then they'd have nothing to whine about. Kind of reminds me of some of the guys in AW that would whine after they died that you weren't honorable because you didn't fight them how they wanted you to fight them.

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Originally posted by Kieran:

Some of you guys need to come to grips with the fact you can play just about any way you like in this game, but the one thing you really don't have any control over is what the rest of the players do. This is what is really bothering you. Stop trying to control what others do and appreciate the control you have over yourselves. [/QB]

Kieran · « **Reply #24 on:** December 27, 2001, 10:00:00 PM »

Seeker, that is a very lucid thought. The more people that populate the MA, the more likely you are going to have a collection of people that want to hop off the hamster wheel.

Me, the wheel fits my lifestyle. Many others may not find it so, and the CT is the perfect outlet. We all get along fine then.

Max · « **Reply #25 on:** December 28, 2001, 11:27:00 AM »

Here's a thought:
What about adding a 4th country? When The Damned moved over from AW last April, we we're initially Bishops. Due to constant Knight bashing, we moved there where we remain today. It's rare when the Knights ever hold superior #'w in the MA...and even rarer to claim a reset...aint whining here folks, just stating the fact as I see it. Perhaps a 4th country would alleviate the 2 v 1 mindset.

DmdMax
The Damned MkX

Kieran · « **Reply #26 on:** December 28, 2001, 11:28:00 AM »

You're right, of course. We'd then have a 3 vs. 1!

Lephturn · « **Reply #27 on:** December 28, 2001, 12:11:00 PM »

DMax, HT and Pyro have tried just about every configuration there is between AH, WB, and AW. 3 is the best it gets, trust them on this.

Defcon, seems what you are looking for exists in the CT. Fly there. Try hopping into the main first and grabbing a few others to go jump in the CT with you. I bet you'll enjoy it.

Tjay · « **Reply #28 on:** December 28, 2001, 02:59:00 PM »

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Originally posted by Ack-Ack:
But then they'd have nothing to whine about. Kind of reminds me of some of the guys in AW that would whine after they died that you weren't honorable because you didn't fight them how they wanted you to fight them.

The MA is now a complex place with land, air and sea forces. War is difficult to conduct in real life with disciplined people and a proper chain of command. Without such a thing, the MA is bound to be chaos most of the time with short periods of organised conduct showing up from time to time in various places. (Thinks, Firebirds Sunday night Tiffie raids and other missions.)But many peeps do indeed think of it as Airborne Quake,(as they are entitled to do 'cos they are paying) so those who are looking for a structured wargame-come-simulation will usually be dissappointed.
Serious people can get their kicks in TOD and Scenarios but the simulation of any military operation takes almost as much time and effort as the real thing.
IMHO the MA does a pretty good job of pleasing most of the people at least some of the time. It would be good if there was somewhere the serious squads could post notice of their plans and timings on the BBS so those interested could turn up and join in. For example, at least two Brit squadrons (Firebirds and Kraits) have their official Sunday squadnights at 2030Z or 2030BST and usually post missions that anyone can join. So thats when you might find a temporary period of order emerging in one corner of the MA.If such things could be more widely publicised, even more people would be happier more often. Any ideas?

[ 12-28-2001: Message edited by: Tjay ]

mosca · « **Reply #29 on:** December 28, 2001, 05:22:00 PM »

When I play (which, I have to admit, is not very often, I get no time any more), I like to look for a base that is under attack by someone planning a mission, and I like to get in a fighter, usually a Spit, and attack the squad that is trying to take the field. Is this a good thing, or a bad thing? Am I making the game more fun, less fun, or neither, by doing so? Or, should it matter at all to the players planning the mission where the defense is coming from, or what their state of mind is? DO I have to be aligned with other players for you to have fun?

Just asking,

Mosca