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Offline Sachs

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« on: September 23, 2002, 09:26:06 AM »
This is rather puzzling a plane that weighs over 20,000 pounds can outturn and out dogfight a D-9 on the deck.  I have been on both recieving ends and it puzzles me that a plane this large can outmanuever a single engine fighter.  What gives?
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Offline Wilbus

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« Reply #1 on: September 23, 2002, 10:09:44 AM »
I've had turnfights/stallfights with Yaks and Spits and come out on top.

To me it seems as if all twins in this game maneuver better then most others.

In a long fight the spit will of course win, few turns the A20 can keep up with. Had several fights where I've been outnumbered and used teh A20 as a normal fighter, killing several before going down. Weird...
« Last Edit: September 23, 2002, 10:14:06 AM by Wilbus »
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Offline Maverick

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« Reply #2 on: September 23, 2002, 11:41:52 AM »
Buff turn fighting is nothing new. B17's routinely out turn fighters over 22k. :rolleyes:  Highly realistic.
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« Reply #3 on: September 23, 2002, 12:55:31 PM »
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Originally posted by Maverick
Buff turn fighting is nothing new. B17's routinely out turn fighters over 22k. :rolleyes:  Highly realistic.


Well, a lone C-Hog can also take out all 3 buffs-of any kind- with one good guns pass :)

Not that I'm complaining...:D
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« Reply #4 on: September 23, 2002, 01:11:19 PM »
LOL somebody got 0\/\/|\|3|>
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Offline whgates3

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« Reply #5 on: September 24, 2002, 01:12:47 AM »
the P-61 (~35,000 lbs) was heavier than the A-20 (~20,000 lbs) and it could out turn P-51s, P-47s & P-38s.
from http://www.edwards.af.mil/history/docs_html/aircraft/a-20.html:
"Light, fast, and powerful, the A-20 was a good airplane. It was modern for its day, with a tricycle landing gear which allowed quicker takeoffs and gave it better handling characteristics on the ground. Unlike most twin engine bombers, the A-20 needed no co-pilot; a single pilot occupied the narrow cockpit, supported by a single gunner back aft, and sometimes a navigator in the nose compartment. Its twin Wright R-2600-23 engines drove the Havoc to a maximum speed of some 340 mph, leading some of its pilots to claim that the nimble plane was almost a heavy fighter."

unloaded, i dont see anything too weird about an A-20 out-turning a dora, after all the the FW-190s were known for their high speed handling, no? not for their ability in low speed turning fights...
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Offline Wilbus

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« Reply #6 on: September 24, 2002, 03:49:32 AM »
Can't connect to the page...

Had it actually been able to fight on the terms it does in AH it would have made one hell of an escort fighter with just a few modifications, maybe a bit stronger wings and some stronger engies for even greater speed.
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« Reply #7 on: September 24, 2002, 05:05:43 AM »
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« Reply #8 on: September 24, 2002, 09:23:33 PM »
many appologies - i added punctuation to end of URL
http://www.edwards.af.mil/history/d...raft/a-20.html
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« Reply #9 on: September 24, 2002, 09:43:27 PM »
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 Had several fights where I've been outnumbered and used teh A20 as a normal fighter, killing several before going down. Weird...



me too.

A-20g vs Temp won 3 outta 4. he 1 i lost was a H/O
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« Reply #10 on: September 25, 2002, 04:07:23 AM »
bet the fighter jocks tried to T&B w/ you in planes you both knew didn't fight well that way.
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« Reply #11 on: September 25, 2002, 04:53:32 AM »
Spitfire and Yaks against me.
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« Reply #12 on: September 25, 2002, 06:46:05 AM »
There's no way a yak should be losing to the A20. It climbs like a rocket and the instantaneous turn rate isn't bad either. I'd use short duration tracking followed by a bit of zooming to keep on top of the fight. Eventually I'd get a killing blow in. The only bad point is ammo.

Can't comment about the spit, as I only fight them not fly them. :)
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Offline GRUNHERZ

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« Reply #13 on: September 25, 2002, 07:16:51 AM »
What is the wing area of an A20?
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« Reply #14 on: September 25, 2002, 07:41:25 AM »
high yoyo bombers youll never lose a turn fight against one again...

beware dauntless, tbm, val : they all stall fight pretty good.  use looping yoyo like manuevers and bleed them.  

but the biggins have no chance in a stall fight if you employ ACM.

note use any fighter u like....even a p40b will out yoyo a bomber.


my 2 cents

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