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Offline MRPLUTO

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« on: September 23, 2002, 05:53:46 PM »
Recently, Karnak posted useful list of planes he wanted to see in AH, and there were also some good comments by Mitsu and others.  In my spare time over the last couple of months I'd been pondering what planes should be added to Aces High.  So here it is:


ALREADY ON THE WAY:

Me-163 "Komet"
Tiger I
M4A3 Sherman tank (Isn't it otw?  Did I read that?)


PRIORITY:

B-24 D & J
B-25 C, D, H, & J
Ju-87 B, D, and G
P-39 D & Q

These are priority because all saw service on several fronts in large numbers.  Making an additional model is probably almost as much work as making a whole new plane, but if each of these planes came in two models, they would add a lot, especially to the coming Mission Theater.

**The B-24D has one gun in a big glass nose.  It should have desert camoflage.  The J model has a turrent with twin .50s in the nose.

**The B-25C was Doolittle's plane.  It lacked adequate defensive guns and was replaced by the B-25D, which had dorsal and ventral twin gun turrets.  The H model eliminated the bombardier, putting 8 x .50 cal. guns in the nose, and was used for ground/sea attack.  The B-25J, constructed in the greatest numbers, was a level bomber that became operational in (early?) 1944, as did the H.


**Gotta have the Stuka.  In fact, come to think about it, I think it's on the way, too, according to HTC.  Or did I hallucinate that?  Ju-87B is the early war model used in the Battle of Britain.  The D came out in 1941 and had a much higher speed and bomb load.  The G model is the tank buster.

**The P-39 Aircobra is in much demand by AH pilots, I think.  The D model is early-mid war Pacific with the USAAF.  The Q should come with a red Russian star.


PACIFIC PLANE SET

Ki-84-Ia "Hayate" or "Frank"
Ki-43-II  "Hayabusa" or "Oscar"
P-38F  "Lightning"

B5N "Kate"
G4M2 "Betty"
B-29 "Superfortress"

**After the Zero and the Oscar, the Ki-84 was Japan's most common fighter plane.  Gotta have it and lots of people want it.

**The Ki-43 had only two pea shooters, but was pretty fast and could turn on a dime.  This is the mid-war model suggested by Mitsu because it will be useful in the Mission Theater.  Gotta have it, even though almost no one wants it.

**Early model Lightning to use in Mission Theater against the Ki-43.  It appeared in 1942, and was deployed in large numbers in Europe and North Africa.

**B5N "Kate" torpedo bombers opened the attack on Pearl Harbor.

**The G4M was Japan's most numerous bomber.  Two engines, very fast, but exploded easily because it had no self-sealing fuel tanks.

**Finally, a perk bomber worth flying!  How about a cost of 100 to 150 perks each?  Or reduce the Ar-234 to 30 perks and make the B-29 60 or 80 perks?  Atomic bombs not included.

RUSSIAN FRONT SET

Polikarpov I-16/10 "Rata"
Yak-1b
Yak-3
Mig-3

Petlyakov Pe-2
Ilyushin IL-4

T-34/76

**The Soviet Union built, and lost, about 20,000 of these stubby little I-16's.  Useful for early war scenarios, Spanish Civil War scenarios, and even in the Pacific where about 200 were supplied to the Nationalist Chinese who used them against the Japanese.  For its time, it was quite a plane.

**Early and mid-war Yaks and Migs are a huge hole in the AH plane set.  Techinical data is hard to get, it seems.  Any one of these planes would be a great addition.  I'd go for the Yak-3 first.

**The Petlyakov (accent on last syllable) Pe-2 served in great numbers during the entire war.   Different models were used as dive-bombers, ground attack, recon, and even as a heavy fighter.  It was fast, lightly armed and lightly armoured.

**Not as common as the early war SB-2, the IL-4 twin engine level bomber saw wide service starting in mid-war, after it's production facilities could be relocated farther east, away from the invading Wehrmacht.

**Simply got to have the T-34/76 (that's with a 76mm gun).

 
Western Europe and Mediterranean Plane Set

Beaufighter
Me-410
Dewoitine D.520

Heinkel He-111 H-3
B-17F
S.M. 79

**Lots of people screaming for both the Beaufighter and Me-410.  Give the masses what they want.

**Not many asking for the D.520, but if we're going to have a French plane, this is the one.  Was a good performer for its time.

**How can we have a real Battle of Britain scenario without the menacing outlines of He-111 formations overhead?

**The B-17F had a single nose gun, inadequate to stop head on attacks.

**The S.M. 79 is the commonly seen "hunch-backed" three engine Italian bomber.  It would add a lot to Mediterranean scenarios.

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ALSO RANS

Fighters:

P-36
Cr. 42 (biplane)
Bf-109K (very fast)
Ki-44-IIb Shoki
P-61B
Brewster Buffalo
Ki-45

Ground Attack:

Henschel Hs. 129B-1 (tank buster, heavily armoured; East Front)
P-63A (Soviet markings)

Bombers:

Ju-88A-1 (for Battle of Britain)
Mossie Mk IV (level bomber)
Ju-52 (German transport with defensive guns)
Wellington
Blenheim MK IV
Devastator
Helldiver

Recon/Pilot rescue:

Fieseler Storch Fi. 156E2

GVs:

Panzer V "Panther"

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So, what you all think?


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« Reply #1 on: September 23, 2002, 06:00:01 PM »
Excellent listing Mr. Pluto! :)

In addition to the Fiesler Storch, a Lysander and Catalina would make very good recon/rescue planes.

I also think in addition to the He111, I would like to see a Do17, Ju188, & He177.

Westland Whirlwind would always be welcome too....

Again, extremely good listing!
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« Reply #2 on: September 23, 2002, 06:06:42 PM »
well i like it all but most of all ....

Ju-52 .... :)

i am in a german - only squad and we'd love something for us to capture a base with.
I don't know what to put here yet.

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« Reply #3 on: September 23, 2002, 06:24:37 PM »
Great post Mr. Pluto, I couldnt agree with your chioces more.  :)

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« Reply #4 on: September 23, 2002, 06:34:53 PM »
Spitfire LF mkIX (or spit XVI, clipped wings would be nice too).......the most numerous Spitfire mkIX produced- would plug a huge gap in the RAF planeset.
 

The stuka and beaufighter would be nice too.:)
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« Reply #5 on: September 23, 2002, 06:58:08 PM »
And don't forget this

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« Reply #6 on: September 23, 2002, 07:06:58 PM »
I'd like to see two new variants of the Mustang as well. I know we already have two, but since these are the Commonwealth versions it would add some spice to the game.

Mustang III
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« Reply #7 on: September 23, 2002, 07:09:15 PM »
The Cant Z 1007 is a far better choice for an Italian Bomber, for a ton of reasions.

 Personaly asigning PRIORITY to any more US Bombers is kinda well,a wast of resources at the moment imo.

 JU 87 will be added I am shure.

 P39 well umm we have a ton of US plaens right now how about we spend some time on somthing for Italy or Russia, or Japan.

 I would like to see an early P 38 would be easy to do time wise for HTC and would be usefull, of course we are talking about adding more depth to the us plane set who's cup runith over at the moment anyway, which is causing playbalence issues in the CT, paticualry for PAC set up's.

  The adation of the Betty for Japan would be nice but kinda a wast of time imo, I would rather see a Jill, Juddy and or a Grace added insted of spending time on a slower more vunerable vershion of the Peggy( they carried almost the same bombload)

  Realy what any list like this no matter how well thought out and how well presented and this list is certainly both, boils down to this. What are you willing to give up and for what are you willing to give it up for. That is to say you want a B 29 and you are going to give up 2 or 3 maybe even 4 new fighter types. then you nead to ask yourself well what does this plane bring to AH? Planes like the B 24 and the B 25 are curently represented in the Burgining US palne set by the B 17 and the B 26, yes It would be nice to have them but at what cost why not add somthing new for another country and add some diversity instead of add more depth to the US plane set.

 I do think the Rat is a good Idea, I would preferr to see a TU -2 for a Soviet buf though, be a great MA plane and would usefull for the CT as well.

 The T 34 has a HUGE problem...NO AA mg.

 As much as it pains me to say this, with the addation of the Me 110 I cant say I can get behind the adation of the Me 410, the Germans are the second most favored country plane wise and they dont realy nead a new Twin, I would rather see a Twin for Japan, A Ki 102 or a Ki 45 instead.

 Granted all the planes on that list would be awsome to have and hopefullt one day we will, my opions are geared toward the short term, the next patch or two, not the distant futue.

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« Reply #8 on: September 23, 2002, 07:13:21 PM »
Me-410 B-1 and B-2 is needed badly...only LW heavy fighter/schnellbomber available is the Bf 110 G.  The 110 is certainly no comparison to the Mosquito VI currently available.

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« Reply #9 on: September 23, 2002, 07:17:31 PM »
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Originally posted by MRPLUTO

P-39 D & Q



**The P-39 Aircobra is in much demand by AH pilots, I think.  The D model is early-mid war Pacific with the USAAF.  The Q should come with a red Russian star.




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How about the P-39N?  It saw a lot of action in the MTO


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« Reply #10 on: September 23, 2002, 07:23:49 PM »
Agree on most except the B25 and B24 part. Although they saw alot of action, I think US has got enough bombers for a while while some countries don't have any, or just very bad/outdated.

SM79 to the Italians or something better, think the SM79 was amongst the best bombers in the IAF though. Late war to the LW. Any bomber to the Russians. One more for the Japanese. Brittish might need one too, maybe a Blenheim?

Also, the Ju88-A4 saw quite some action in BoB aswell, A1 saw more though as did the He111. Basicly a He111 would be enough as the A4 too saw action in BoB, specially since our A4 lacks the 20mm in the nose.
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« Reply #11 on: September 23, 2002, 07:32:49 PM »
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The 110 is certainly no comparison to the Mosquito VI currently available.


I tend to disagree with this quote. The 110 is used much more often than the Mossie is.

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« Reply #12 on: September 23, 2002, 07:37:13 PM »
How about filling the holes in the planeset.

Russia has no bombers (Pe2 entered service in 1941 Tu2 didnt come in the war before 43 or 44 so id do it first).

Italy also has no bombers Sm79 is a good choice IMO but any other would also be nice.

Japan needs some help too: Ki84 would help alot and an early war bomber would be nice.

Germany: 190F8 needs some loadouts ;)
They also need a late war bomber like Ju188 or Do217 (the Ju88's defensive armament is worthless in MA)

D520 would be sweet :D

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« Reply #13 on: September 24, 2002, 02:14:11 AM »
Here's my list:

        *Re2005


Thank you, that is all.

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« Reply #14 on: September 24, 2002, 02:50:32 AM »
The Tu-2 was a 1943 plane - I believe it saw action at Kursk.

I don't believe we need any more US, LW or RAF planes for the time being. Instead, the Russian planest should be fleshed out. The Tu-2 would be an excellent addition, but unfortunately there isn't much information on how the interior looked or flight data - this has been the main stumbling block.

The Pe-2 would be a useful addition to the fold, along with any mid-war Russian fighter and the Rata.