more ramblings from hypocrite damazinhunk

[easymo]

You tell Senator Inoue he is not interested in the security of the American people. You tell those who fought in Vietnam and in World War II they are not interested in the security of the American people. That is outrageous--outrageous.

 Men who wrap themselves up in the flag, make me raise an eyebrow.  Men who wrap themselves up in the sacrifices of other men (combat veterans), are jack offs.  Daschel falls into this category.

[Braz]

Well said Ezmo, well said.

[Sandman]

Originally posted by Eagler
Saddam was such a threat in 1998 that the U.N. sanctions called for his removal from Kuwait, but not a regime change.

don't think he was in Kuwait in 98 was he?

doh... I knew that...

[Kieran]

Whatever the agenda, Daschle was wrong to say what he did (based as it was on a misquote from the Washington Post). Funny thing is he appears to be doing exactly what he is accusing the president of doing. Even funnier is how the administration offered a graceful way out for him, but he refuses.

[von GrossenArsc]

OK, the administration wants war. Bush, of course 'has not made a decision', which is political-talk which roughly translated means 'I want to give the impression than I am open to suggestions but unless something huge comes out that might put me out of office, I won't change my mind'.

I mean, they talk together, Rumsfield, Cheney and Bush. It's near certain that they share the very same view on what needs to be done, only Bush has to word it a bit differently in order to keep a fire escape door open.

Be that as it may (notice that I haven't anything about whether a war against Iraq is a good or bad thing), we've seen quite a deal of argumentation about the reasons for the war. The Bush administrations as well as the Blair one has come up with some dossiers. While it is certainly frightening to read and very likely to be true, there's little hard evidence. What exists is indirect evidence.

Since we're now one big global community (eat THAT, anti-globalisation morons), this probably isn't enough if the war is to be said to be fought out of a need for 'international security' - I mean the world should be seen as one dude per country in a sort of weighted democratic system.

I say get some guns and planes down there, then get the inspectors in. If Saddam tries do do ANYTHING to stop the inspectors then turn his regime into a regime of very dry, dead men and his army into something assembling the one we have here in Denmark .

On the other hand, if it turns out that it's Bush holding his fathers grudge and regrets, then it's proper to stop at just killing off the regime. One country with an army like the one here is enough. Don't need two bad examples .

[whgates3]

Originally posted by john9001
the democrats have not passed the homeland bill because "big labor" who controls the demos dosn't like some parts of the bill , big labor thinks some govt workers will lose their "no fire, garrenteed for life time govt jobs"...

'crats dont give half a turd about unions, (except to tap them for campaign cash) they've been screwing unions since the early '80s.  that shi+ is about the federal buracracy (the unlegislated 4th branch) - all the little folk who do the work of g'ovt - vast majority so-called liberals (what self respecting so-called conservative would be a burecrat [except in law enforcement or Do'D] ?). if it was a real worker's union, 'crats would screw them in hopes of catching a few undecided centrist votes.

[Thrawn]

Eagler, you say a bit about meaning, have you read any Victor E Frankel?

Udie, I thought you had seen past party politics.

[Thrawn]

Originally posted by easymo
Men who wrap themselves up in the flag, make me raise an eyebrow.  Men who wrap themselves up in the sacrifices of other men (combat veterans), are jack offs.  Daschel falls into this category.

Was Daschel ever in the US armed forces?

[Nash]

uh.... yeah.

Democrats

House Minority Leader Richard Gephardt - Served his country in uniform, 1965-71

House Minority Whip David Bonior - Served his country in uniform, 1968-72

Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle - Served his country in uniform, 1969-72

Former Vice President Al Gore - Served his country in uniform, 1969-71; recipient of Vietnam Service Medal

Bob Kerrey... Democrat... Congressional Medal of Honor, Vietnam
 
Daniel Inouye... Democrat... Congressional Medal of Honor, World War Two

John Kerry... Democrat...Silver Star & Bronze Star, Vietnam

Charles Rangel...Democrat... Bronze Star, Korea

Max Cleland... Democrat... Silver Star & Bronze Star, Vietnam

Howell Heflin... Democrat... Silver Star

Senator Ted Kennedy (D-MA) - U.S. Army, 1951-1953.

Senator Tom Harkin (D-IA) - U.S. Navy, 1962-67; Naval Reserve, 1968-74.

Rep. Leonard Boswell (D-IA) - two tours in Vietnam, two Distinguished Flying Crosses as a helicopter pilot, two Bronze Stars, and the Soldier's Medal.

Ambassador "Pete" Peterson, Air Force Captain, POW, Democratic congressman, Ambassador to Viet Nam, and recipient of the Purple Heart, the Silver Star and the Legion of Merit

Rep. Mike Thompson, D-CA: served in combat with the U.S. Army as a staff sergeant/platoon leader with the 173rd Airborne Brigade; was wounded and received a Purple Heart.

Many others...

Republicans

Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert - avoided the draft, did not serve.

Majority Leader Dick Armey - avoided the draft, did not serve.

Majority Whip Tom Delay - avoided the draft, did not serve. "So many minority youths had volunteered ... that there was literally no room for patriotic folks like [myself]."

Senate Minority Leader Trent Lott - avoided the draft, did not serve.
 
GW Bush - AWOL from the reserves.

VP Cheney - several deferments, the last by marriage (in his own words, "had other priorities than military service")

Att'y Gen. John Ashcroft - sought deferment to teach business ed at SW Missouri State

Karl Rove - avoided the draft, did not serve

Former Speaker Newt Gingrich - avoided the draft, did not serve

Bob Dornan - avoided Korean War combat duty by enrolling in college acting classes

Phil Gramm - avoided the draft, did not serve, four student deferments

Senator John McCain - McCain's naval honors include the Silver Star, Bronze Star, Legion of Merit, Purple Heart and Distinguished Flying Cross.

Chuck Hagel - two Purple Hearts and a Bronze Star, Vietnam.

Duke Cunningham - nominated for the Medal of Honor, received the Navy Cross, two Silver Stars, fifteen Air Medals, the Purple Heart, and several other decorations  

Don Nickles, Senate Minority Whip - Did not serve

Senator Richard Shelby, did not serve

Representative Saxby Chambliss, Georgia - did not serve

Many others...



Just sayin'...

[straffo]

I still don't understand why the US are focused on Irak
...
9/11 was a saoudian attack no ?
Money and men where from Saoudia you know ....

[Dowding (Work)]

This is by far the best quote from this thread:

All I can say is this...you do nothing, YOU live with blood on your conscience...not me.

So, Ripsnort, what are you going to do apart from sit on your arse and watch the fireworks on CNN? Come on here and brag extra hard about how you're flying you're extra snappy flag, pretending that doing so in some way supports 'our boys over there'?

You're killing me, you really are.

A pre-emptive attack is ludicrous. Get the inspectors in - like stsanta says - if they are obstructed in the slightest way, then attack. Job's a good 'un.

[wsnpr]

Originally posted by straffo
I still don't understand why the US are focused on Irak
...
9/11 was a saoudian attack no ?
Money and men where from Saoudia you know ....

It just has got to be true that Saddam Hussein is the absolute worst threat to mankind because the US govt and media say so.
(Hook, line, and sinker) Sad, really.

Notice now some reports that there might be a terror cell in Iran.
Hmmm I sense a pattern here.

After the US and England take over Iraq (installing our approved Iraqi 'Freedom and Liberty loving' Dictator), we'll go after Iran next. Why? Because Iran will then become the number one threat to world peace of freedom loving peoples everywhere! (It's just gotta be true I tell ya! Hook, line, and sinker.)

Hmmm, gotta love them oil profits!

I wonder how many US and English (possibly Canadian) lives will be lost in this next war? The many innocent civillians (I can bet much higher casualties than the servicemen) of the nations we'll be attacking? The only 'crime' those civilians are guilty of is living in those countries.

Want to see the sabre rattling by the US stop? Just give every policy making politician and their supporters a rifle and have them lead the charge into Iraq. Heck, I'd support that invasion with my tax dollars.

Too many stupid, greedy people in important policy making decisions. Freedom, Liberty, and Democracy is not what we want for others, just ourselves. We want the right to go into other nations that we can bully around to do our bidding for our business interests. Not just limiting this to the present administration either.

[senna]

First of all the UN is a disadvantage as well as an advantage in dealing with worldy matters. The UN itself as a whole has its own weaknesses and thus its own priorities and needs, naturally. The US uses it to aquire mandates to facilitate its own foreign policies that it sees is best towards long term national security. Dont tell me you have even a clue that is remotely near the truth. In the scale of things and analogy would be a ten year olds conclusion being held up to a in comparison to a babling 20 year olds better conclusion. I highly doubt that as most normal civilians know far from the truth of the nations steering system. I take what most people say and throw it all into the same basket of 2cent opinions next to the backet of 0 cent opinions. Give me a break, they (the leaders of this world) have just as much ability in screwing the future up as they do in making it better. Before you ask someone how they can support a war effort or troops overseas, have you asked yourself that same question?

Alot of people watch the news and form opinions, some stronger than others. Thats nothing special.

[Eagler]

Originally posted by Dowding (Work)
A pre-emptive attack is ludicrous. Get the inspectors in - like stsanta says - if they are obstructed in the slightest way, then attack. Job's a good 'un.

never be a pe attack. only words to force bighead saddams hand. No one else in the world community seems to get a crap he's not sticking to his surrender words ... we didn't til we had an admin change & threw out the perv.

The US just ain't gonna wait on the UN to make something happen as they sat on their hands when they threw out the inspectors in 98. They've had 4 years to get them back in. Now we'll do it our way ....

[senna]

Well eagler, looks like you got the ingredients for a perfect war. You woudlnt happen to be anywhere near Iraq when the bullets and bombs start going off will you? Whens the last time you got hurt, remember or even know whats its like to have an arm blown off. Its not your arm, is somebody elses. As a matter of fact, I'm willing to bet you will be glued to a TV set with a cold on in your hand. Too easy to back up that kinda crap.

BTW: Hope to meet you at a con in the future someday.