CT is no EZmode

[-lynx-]

Let's just understand that trim controls have (just as HT stated!) nothing to do with aircraft stability, performance or anything like that.

The only reason for their existence is to compensate for different aerodynamic forces affecting control surfaces of an aircraft flying at different airspeeds.

In RL airplane you feel the need for trim through the feedback transmitted back onto your stick/pedals through the cables/rods. WB attempted to come close to imitating this with ForceFeedback support (I mean HT's, Pyro's et al WB, OK?).

There's no FF in AH hence there's not a little bit of realism in the need to trim your plane at all times since there's no way to know how much trim you really need other than trying to stop your plane from rotating all the time or pulling the nose up/down or such like stuff.

I've read HT's post several times and couldn't see where he mentioned no-stalling, no-spinning, superstable planes? 109 was unstable whether it was flown perfectly trimmed or a pilot had to break his arms fighting for control - trim tabs just "helped" to overcome the aerodynamic forces. Add full hydro-assisted controls and you wouldn't need trim tabs.

No amount of trim should compensate for engine torque of those monstrous engines on take-off - there's not enough airspeed to affect your trim tabs for chrissakes!

EZmode in WB made impossible to stall/spin an aircraft. Stable or unstable it didn't matter, one could yank the stick like there was no tomorrow, there was no penalty for this. Autotrim won't do anything of a sort. Let's trust HT and the crew just this much more?

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lynx
13 Sqn RAF

[Maniac]

It might not be an WB ezmode but it is an tool to help newbies out and that = easymode.



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AH : Maniac
WB : -nr-1-

[Renfield]

Maniac, read HT's description of CT as and why implemented. It sounds a lot more like it will correct some trim issues - things like not being able to push over after trimming in a lot of up elevator.

Trim doesn't change the ability to move control surfaces other than how much effort is required to do so. Right now the sim is unrealistic in that respect. It sounds like CT will fix some of this.

But discussing it won't change anything - we'll just have to see it when 1.04 is released. But HTs description sounds like what CT will do is fix some problems - not create new ones.

[Maniac]

Common stop it guys.

CT is gonna be available as an _option_ its an option wich make it easier to uphold an good trimmed out AC.

If it aint an EZ mode then why not djust implement it to the FM (without the option to turn it off i mean).

Regards.

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AH : Maniac
WB : -nr-1-

[Yeager]

Last night I realized just how much I use auto-trim, auto-angle and auto-speed.
In a word: constantly

Since I dont have the control setup to program any trim to a hat -the only time I use manual trim is when I compress, and carefully at that or I tear stuff off when the speed lowers and I get rapid overcompenasation of trim (I hate that).

Since I rarely use manual trim I guess Im just an auto-dweeb........I have no room to gripe about auto *combat* trim.

Im just gonna lay low and wait til the damn thing comes out.  If I dont like it, you will know.

Yeager

[Ripsnort]

I use elevator trim constantly in the the 109, since  compression is a factor at low speed, it helps me pull out of the dive, other than that, I have them all programmed on the  stick, but like Yeager, I primarily use the auto trims alot more.

[popeye]

I also use trims constantly -- auto and manual.  However, since all the speculation on CT began, I've unmapped the auto trims from my setup, and have been using ONLY manual trims, just to see how much "pilot workload" has been automated.  A lot.  

Give it a try.  Very illuminating.

popeye

[Maniac]

For the first 2 weeks in AH i did not even know that AH had the WB style auto trimming hehe (level,angle etc)

I went DOH! when i figured out hehe!



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AH : Maniac
WB : -nr-1-

[easymo]

 My question is, what is difference with this,from FA2 and AW. And why is it worth 3 times the money.

[Yeager]

what is difference with this,from FA2 and AW. And why is it worth 3 times the money.
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Never done FA or AW!  Have seen screens from both and they looked retarded compared to AH or WBs.

Money is only an issue when its charged by the hour.  Ill never do that again.

I cant comment on what effect padlock or combat trim will have on my perception of realism in AH  because I have not experienced these features yet.

Neither have you  

Yeager

[Westy]

 Easymo, if you're honestly curious I could only recommend that you go download and try out AW3 and FA-II to see exactly why Aces High is so far beyond what they are.
 I was an AWier. Had WB's on the HDD for off line use and for tryin out options and features that to this day AW still doesn't have. Did thed FA-II for a week when it came out under open beta. But when AH came along there was no question in my mind at all as to who had the most superior sim out there.
 That's just my opinion based on the program. If you want I could talk for hours about the deficiencies of the predominately "McDonalds & BurgerKing" like communites that the flat rate of $10/mo brings to both of those "games."

 Or you're being so facetious with your question that it doesn't warrant an answer.

 AH is worth, to me, every penny of the $30/mo I pay.

   -Westy

[Hangtime]

Those of you who have turned off your auto-trim features to 'see' how much work is needed to keep the plane in trim and shooting straight just made the point better thatn a hundred pages of discussion.

If you don't keep the plane in trim, you are at a hideous disadvantage against the pilot that is keepin his in trim.. It's a significant element of the FM.. and a good one IMO.

Next we're gonna get the 'CT' feature.. and damn if the newbie won't have even less work than us old codgers that do it the hard way. In fact, sounds like that if we don't surrender and switch on CT; WE will be disadvantaged

Hang

[Minotaur]

Some of you with questions should READ what I and others have posted here.

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Mino
The Wrecking Crew

"hehehe...I like this thread squealing Bastids!"
SOB

[easymo]

 sort of what you want I guess. I have done all the online sims. AH wins the eyecandy race, hands down. But I dont care about eyecandy. I am a gamer. Gameplay overrides any other consideration for me. FA has padlock, and ezmode. What has been decribed, for 1.4, sounds like FA3. A toned down version, no doubt. But still. Heading that way. It was the difficulty of AH, that made it w2orth more. Now im called a trim lord, and trimming out my plane manually was an unrealistic cheat. The thing that really rubs, is that it looks like the WB,ers were right all along.

 Anyway I cant see eyecandy being worth 3 times the going rate.

[StSanta]

Yeh, and also there's a difference between tedious workload (holding the plane stable and all tehe time supervising the plane while on a climbout), and using auto features in a dogfight. In the G10 I use auto featues a lot more than in the A8 in combat situations. With CT, that won't be needed.

There is a slight disadvantage to using auto features; you'll fly straight for a bit. Not so with ct.

If auto level/angle gives ya a decreased workload (although a limited) in combat siatuations, just imagine what ct will do.

Not getting my panties in a knot or whatever it is you Americans say. I think it's quite legitimate to worry a bit about it, just as it is legitimate to worry about a feature called Upgraded Auto Aim in say Rogue Spear.

So, to me a discussion about it is worthwhile.



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StSanta
JG54 "Grünherz"
"If you died a stones throw from your wingie; you did no wrong". - Hangtime