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Offline Karnak

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Spitfire Mk XIV vs. La-7
« on: September 26, 2002, 08:52:56 PM »
Late last night I flew in AH for the first time in a week.  I decided to put all 60 of my remaining perk points on the line and grabbed a Spitfire Mk XIV with a droptank.

Rooks were their normal, massively outnumbered selves so I took off from a second line field (A36), which was fine as we hadn't any third line fields left.  After climbing to 21,000ft I leveled off and headed north towards A24 looking for prey.

Just before reaching A24 I spotted a Bf109 well below me, so I jetisoned the external tank and dove on him at a low throttle setting.  He saw me comming and did a break turn back towards A24, offering me a turn fight.  I declined, turned on WEP and pointing the nose skyward again.  As I climbed I saw an A6M, somewhat higher than the Bf109, join the fray.  As I topped out my zoom climb I pulled the nose back down and prepared to make a pass on the A6M, but saw that he still had his nose cominng right at me.  I avoided the head on, and tried for a second pass at the 109, once again he tried to pull me low and into a turnfight so I went back up.  While I zoomed back upstairs the A6M tried to get my perk plane with a good old spray and pray from 950 yards out, but I quickly left it below me.

Once my speed dropped to 140mph I leveled out to get a picture of the situation around me.  I saw that the 109 had had enough and was making for A24, the A6M was trying to climb up to me and an F4U had made an appearance below and a few clicks from me.  As A6Ms are squirrly targets, I decided to try for the F4U.  I dove on him and he preformed the expected breakturn.  I went up with the intention of comming down on him, but as I climbed I spotted an La-7 at D4.6 and a bit above me.  Checking my altimeter I saw that the manuvering had pulled me down to 10,000ft.

At only 10,000ft, slow from the zoom climb and with an La-7 bearing in I decided it was time to leave.  I turned on the WEP and started to climb as I watched the La-7 close the distance.  At D2.2 he started to lose ground, but kept after me.  I noticed that I was heading north east, into enemy territory, so I began a slow turn to the south.  This allowed the La-7 to close back to D1.5, but once again when I straightened out he could not maintain his position, even after I turned my WEP off.

At 25,000ft I decided to engage and turned towards the La-7 while engaging WEP once again.  As we headed for eachother we positioned so that we would pass to eachother's left.  Immediately after passing the La-7 I rolled over into a left turn and pulled it as tight as I could in the thin air.  I saw that The La-7 had tried a right turn.  As we came around I could see that he wasn't going to come close to a gun solution.  As it happens, I could not quite get a gun solution either, but unlike for the La-7 it was a very close thing.  Pulling over into a right turn I saw the La-7 also reverse.  By this time it was clear to me that while he might have a slight edge below 10,000ft, up here the Spitfire Mk XIV dominated the La-7.  As wemoved closer it was obvious to me that I would get a gun solution this pass.  Apparently it became evident to the La-7's pilot as well because at nearly the last moment the La-7 nosed down and dived.  I put my nose down and followed, firing a burst as I did so.  I obtained one hit, probably a .303 but possibly one of the twenty-three 20mm rounds.  The La-7 easily pulled away in the dive and at 18,000ft I pulled up, not willing to go down to his favorable altitudes to fight.  The La-7 leveled at about 15,000ft and tried to get me to make another go in order to pull me low, but I declined so he headed north.

With my fuel running a little low, and it being late, I turned and headed southeast to A30 and landed.
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Offline SirLoin

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« Reply #1 on: September 26, 2002, 09:03:29 PM »
Nice write up..
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« Reply #2 on: September 26, 2002, 09:08:15 PM »
The assassins did a spit xiv sorti in the same area last night. I think we landed 19 kills between the 5 of us.
Right on the deck valley fighting against the bish hordes in la7 pony spits and nikis...(well a few others)...
The spit xiv rocks.

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« Reply #3 on: September 26, 2002, 10:38:36 PM »
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... I obtained one hit, probably a .303 but possibly one of the twenty-three 20mm rounds...


Time to rework hit sprites, don't you think ? ;)

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« Reply #4 on: September 26, 2002, 10:42:39 PM »
Great write-up Karnak. I thought La7s were uber until the Pizza map forced my engagements higher.

I discovered that a 109-G10 outperforms an LA7 about 5000 feet.

Staying above 10000 was an excellent tactic.

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« Reply #5 on: September 27, 2002, 04:08:22 AM »
It's a good plane, can outclimb anything. the LA7 it self could have been beaten at low alt too, specially in turnfight but then you'd have had his 20 LA7 friends ganging up on you.

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« Reply #6 on: September 27, 2002, 04:17:25 AM »
The La-7 has never been unbeatable. It sucks orangutang testicles at low speed and is pretty unspectacular above 10k. But keep it fast and low, and you're deadly. Unless you engage a Yak-9U flown by myself. :)

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« Reply #7 on: September 27, 2002, 05:15:59 AM »
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The La-7 has never been unbeatable. It sucks orangutang testicles at low speed and is pretty unspectacular above 10k. But keep it fast and low, and you're deadly. Unless you engage a Yak-9U flown by myself. :)


Gotta agree

I fly both yak9U and the La7 but have never lost a fight to an La7 whilst in a yak 9U......... but have sufferred the reverse...
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« Reply #8 on: September 27, 2002, 07:56:26 AM »
I have done both, killed la7 in yakU, and died in yakU to la7.

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« Reply #9 on: September 27, 2002, 08:05:51 AM »
Nice writeup Karnak !

And you used the Spit XIV exactly how it should be flown.  :)

Now the whole wisdom of taking up a XIV after not flying a week, and with your last 60 perk points.... well ;)

And its even possible that you could have caught the La7 when he ran by using a shallower dive and cutting the angle (most dive at a steep angle right to the deck and allow you to catch them) , but that would have left you vulnerable to his follow up buddies.

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« Reply #10 on: September 27, 2002, 08:11:24 AM »
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and died in yakU to la7.



I got lucky.......... (in an La7) and Shift (in a yak9U) had done all the work on your Yak.........

You put up one hell of a fight for some one flying in dirty air 2ft off the water..........
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« Reply #11 on: September 27, 2002, 08:41:24 AM »
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Gotta agree

I fly both yak9U and the La7 but have never lost a fight to an La7 whilst in a yak 9U......... but have sufferred the reverse...


Yup, the Yak-9U handles the La-7 fairly well, especially above 5k. I rarely fly the La-7, only used when certain tactical situations arise. I'd rather fly the Bf 109F, which can handle the Yak without much stress.

My favorite La-7 killer is the FM-2. Grab about 15-18k and La-7s become lunch meat. If it's lower, you can use the altitude to run it down. If it's Co-alt, you can fly circles around it. If it's higher, I just smile.

As to the SpitXIV vs the La-7, I've fought the Lavochkin twice, both times below 10k. These were not difficult contests whatsoever. SpitXIVs own the La-7. My problem with the Spit is its frailty. It has the durability of a boxkite.

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« Reply #12 on: September 27, 2002, 08:59:18 AM »
It looks like to me that the spit14 is really great, but it's a con magnet in MA. Everybody wants to kill perk planes and they fly like dweebs behind you. Just like your LA7 did.

I have flown the spit14 quite a few times in temp MA (it was not perked). I shot down some ME262 and others. The WEP climb is incredible, the dive ability great, top speed fantastic and the acceleartion quite good.
I made the experience that the spit14 wants to driven harder. That means you have to pull the stick harder. You will be impressed how much it can turn then.

Another good plane vs. LA7 is P51D IMO. Stay fast and climb away over 15kft. Make a low yoyo or hammerhead and LA7 has to run. Energy fight him, but break off when your E gets too low. Don't do it too late or you are fresh meat. Works well for me.

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« Reply #13 on: September 27, 2002, 09:05:08 AM »
Hey Karnak how come you failed to get mercilessy run down flying the con magnet gangbang tag Spit 14 this time? I though you told us it was impossible to RTB in one....  Anyhow nice AAR, but do tell us where the hidden whine is. :D

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« Reply #14 on: September 27, 2002, 07:18:13 PM »
GRUNHERZ,

I avoided getting shot down by flying as absolutely conservatively I could while still actually attempting to get a gun solution once in a while, and by leaving when the enemy started to outnumber me.

No whine present.
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