Kills of manned AAA ?

[SlapShot]

The other night, I was patrolling around an enemy Vehicle Base and got into a dogfight that led me back to the VH. With "target fixation" on overload, I didn't realize that I was being dragged back over the VH (which was smoking when I got there).

Well, someone in a mannable ack shot me ... "You have been killed by blahl-blah" ... DOH. So I upped at a nearby base in an La-7 to quickly get back to the Vehicle Base to "wack the ack". On the way back I see "blah-blah landed 2 kills in a gun ...". Now, when I get back to the VH, the same ack gun starts firing at me, to no avail, and I "wack the ack".

Kills are scored for individuals that man an ack, but kills are NOT scored for those that kill the individual in the ack.

Shouldn't we be given credit for those kills ?

[jonnyb]

I believe that we should be awarded kills for taking out manned gun emplacements.  I also believe that the guns on a ship should be able to be destroyed/damaged, or at the very least the kills should be awarded to whoever received the "ship destroyed" message.

[VgasX]

Man gunning is a free ride you get hit you still get mission success. Whats up with that? Getting a kill on a maned gun would be a bonus for the ones that have enough balls to take out ACK.

Vegasx
CO. Sealed Fate

[Mickey1992]

I don't think that kills should be awarded for knocking out a stationary gun position that you can kill with 2 cannon rounds from 1K.

What next?  Are we going to award someone 4 kills for sinking a cruiser that had its main guns manned?

[SlapShot]

Mickey,

I can pop an M3 just as easily, yet I get the kill for that, and the M3 is basically defensless against planes, while ack guns are instantly LETHAL !!!

What really would be wrong with crediting someone 4 kills for taking out the cruiser ? Would it change the game and scoring so much that it "just wouldn't be the same" ?

I don't think so ...

If someone can shoot at me and score a kill, regardless of the weapons platform, then I should be given the opportunity to shoot back and score a kill.

[MrLars]

Originally posted by SlapShot


I can pop an M3 just as easily, yet I get the kill for that, and the M3 is basically defensless against planes, while ack guns are instantly LETHAL !!!

If you are a good GV gunner you can average at least one kill of an A/C from an M3 or LVT using it's AA gun.

If someone can shoot at me and score a kill, regardless of the weapons platform, then I should be given the opportunity to shoot back and score a kill. [/QUOTE]

When you kill a manned AA you get points IF you're in attack mode...

The AA gunner gets no points and the kills don't count in his rank but he gets his name in the text buffer...

So, you want no points and your name in the text buffer?

Or, do you want points and no mention in the text buffer?

Killing a stationary object in an A/C as soft as an AA emplacement, IMO, doesn't deserve an entry into the text buffer for all to see...it takes too little skill.

[SlapShot]

MrLars,

I have spend my share of time in both those vehicles. The LVT is as slow as a slug so you have no choice but spend time in it. I have also shot down my share of A/Cs with these vehicles, but you know as well as I, the ratio of M3s shooting down A/Cs and A/Cs killing M3s cannot compare. Of the two, the LVT has a far better chance of killing an A/C than the M3. LVTs are a little harder to pop than an M3, but both are easy targets even though they aren't stationary.

"Killing a stationary object in an A/C as soft as an AA emplacement, IMO, doesn't deserve an entry into the text buffer for all to see...it takes too little skill."

Stationary or not, anything that starts lobbing 37mm rounds at you cannot be taken lightly. Also, considering how fast an Osty and Panzer are, they could almost be considered stationary in comparison to an A/C. Its not like they are going to out-turn you and reverse for the kill, yet we score kills when they are destroyed. Panzers are dead-meat for any A/C carrying bombs. The machine gun is all but useless, so the A/C has practically a free run at the Panzer with very minimal consequence for an attack.

I am quite aware of the OBJ for AAA and flying "Attack", but you are introducing perks points into the discussion which was not part of my question, and clouds the intent. My question would effect the K/D ratio.

The guy that shot me down adversely effected my K/D, so why should my killing him in the AAA not conversely effect my K/D ?

What I will give you is the "softness" of the AAA ... I must admit that I didn't think of that ... hmmmmm ... nah ... If he can kill me, then I should be able to kill him. Simple as that.

[MrLars]

Originally posted by SlapShot
MrLars,


Panzers are dead-meat for any A/C carrying bombs. The machine gun is all but useless, so the A/C has practically a free run at the Panzer with very minimal consequence for an attack.

I don't know about useless, I can average 3-4 kills/sortie of A/C if they use guns/cannon only < shrug >

I am quite aware of the OBJ for AAA and flying "Attack", but you are introducing perks points into the discussion which was not part of my question, and clouds the intent. My question would effect the K/D ratio.

The guy that shot me down adversely effected my K/D, so why should my killing him in the AAA not conversely effect my K/D ?

What I will give you is the "softness" of the AAA ... I must admit that I didn't think of that ... hmmmmm ... nah ... If he can kill me, then I should be able to kill him. Simple as that.

Your other points seem to be more score related than anything < K/D and K/S included > that's an issue I have no interest in.

[SlapShot]

LOL .. I only had 1 point ...

If something can kill me and score a kill then I should be able to kill it and score likewise.

Very simple concept.

[Halo]

Slapshot, I agree with you regarding base ack, since anything blasting that normally kills the ack crew.

However, in ship ack, I agree only if the manned ack itself is hit, just like the base ack.  Most ships are so large that when they are sunk their gunners have a good chance of surviving unless their gun position is directly hit.

Furthermore, the base acks are very exposed compared to the carrier and cruiser ack in armored turrets.  However, the destroyer escort 37mm acks are exposed like the base acks, so they should be destroyable by guns as well as bombs or rockets.