Author Topic: Tour 32 Fighter vs Fighter stats (Read 1211 times)

-ammo- · « **Reply #30 on:** October 06, 2002, 01:57:17 AM »

My squad had a significant impact on the D11 and D25 statistics. We are responsible for 23% of all the D25 Kills and 20% of all the D11 kills for tour 32

Voss · « **Reply #31 on:** October 06, 2002, 02:09:38 AM »

What we need is a top ten pilots list for each type. Then you could see how the various planes really stack up. There are a lot of guys out there that simply pork the stats of the planes they fly. The P51D is the most popular plane, because it is so well known. Everybody new just has to try one. While they are in the learning process, and discover that the P51 is a deathtrap for newbies (contrary to its UBER status) the newbie hears channel one chatter about the UBER La7, so they try that next and pork its status too. Lather, rinse, repeat. Finally, they come down to channel two.

Newbie: "What's the best fighter to fly?"
Common answer: "Try a Spit"

Then the Spit gots porked, too.

My K/D in the La7 was 26.75:1 (107 kills and 4 deaths). It should have been over 50:1, but I snuck above 3k twice and fleet ack got me both times. I did get killed twice by actually users (tailgunners if I remember correctly). If, I can do that and I know I'm no wonder stick, then what can the really good pilots do with it?

AvidMC · « **Reply #32 on:** October 06, 2002, 03:27:00 AM »

Well I see the monthly tour stats are up, followed by the monthly perk whine. Man I could set my clock by you cat's. Although I must add that it's fun to watch. I'm only sad at the fact that those of us in the 56th weren't able to out K/D the D9. I was so looking forward to having the P-47D-25 mentioned more often in the perk it portion of the thread. Oh well maybe next tour.

Carry on citizens, nothing more to see here:D

Avid

P.S. Perk the damned LA-7's I need more Shane whines for my 15 frog pelts.

Booky · « **Reply #33 on:** October 06, 2002, 04:26:31 AM »

Voss is onto something

Hehe, thats why you can never go by the overal stats on aircraft abilities.

Booky

Puke · « **Reply #34 on:** October 06, 2002, 06:26:07 PM »

Perks are a monitary system-thing and therefore based on the principals of cost and value. Value here is based on the principal of substitution (and solely that because there is no limit to the numbers available of any particular aircraft so it's not a demand/supply thing.) Why should the average player take a month of his time to save for a lousy F4U-4 when it really doesn't perform any better than the LA-7 in the furball arena that the MA is. What seems to be lacking to me are perk rides that are actually worth it to the common player. I see no big deal in perking the LA7, D9 and 51D at a very miniscule perk cost and it would only have the slightest impact on their numbers seen in the arena. It seems retarded to me how the perk system currently works because there is very little that is viable to spend your perks on if you are average. I would love to see stats on who are flying the F4U-4 and Spit14 because I bet the vast majority of those people have hords of perk points. The typical player is probably going to just bypass these aircraft and save for the ME262 and not risk those points on something not much better than the LA7. Point being, what's the big deal to perk a few aircraft to fill the 3-10 range? I won't fly the F4U-4 in the MA because at my skill level, it took me a long time to earn those points and I don't want to blow them on just a few very expensive flights. The ME262 is a different story because there is no "free" substitute for it.

And if you have more than a 2:1 K/D ratio overall, you do not represent the average player in the arena when you speak about how easy plane-X is to kill. I'm not ashamed to admit that I cannot kill a LA7 1v1 in a Mustang or Corsair vs a pilot at my skill level or above.

woops, can't type K/D with : in place of /. K:D

J_A_B · « **Reply #35 on:** October 06, 2002, 07:01:55 PM »

"I see no big deal in perking the LA7, D9 and 51D at a very miniscule perk cost and it would only have the slightest impact on their numbers seen in the arena. "

Well the LA7 and 51D ARE already costing you perks every time you kill something with them.

Land 10 kills in a P-51D, then land the same 10 kills in a F4U-1 and note the difference.

J_A_B

RightF00T · « **Reply #36 on:** October 06, 2002, 09:17:19 PM »

Perk Emoticons.

poopster · « **Reply #37 on:** October 06, 2002, 10:21:26 PM »

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And if you have more than a 2:1 K/D ratio overall, you do not represent the average player in the arena

So Mr. Puke with your current K/D you definately underrate your current position in the scheme of things

As far as perks your looking at it from the wrong end. The purpose for the perk is to reduce the census of the selected a/c. In that, it works VERY well for the very reasons you yourself explained.

Why would someone fly the F4U4 or a Spit 14 with their price tag if they are marginally better or worse than the non perked planes..

So they aren't flown. Hence the perk works.

On the other hand if they were not perked, it would be all you see.

I have bank, and I'm going to spend it on the FOUR. Cuz I love the big blue.

Jet's don't ring my bell and I can't hit the state of Nevada with cannon

With fifties Rhode Island is within the realm of possibilities...

..on a good day

-ammo- · « **Reply #38 on:** October 06, 2002, 10:47:28 PM »

I have seen you fly nopoop, you suck. But there is hope, just watch lazs, drex, apache and you will get better. Take notes.

Fancy · « **Reply #39 on:** October 06, 2002, 10:59:09 PM »

I'm not even going to dip my toe in the perk argument.

NICE WORK DejaVu!!!

Thank you.

J_A_B · « **Reply #40 on:** October 06, 2002, 11:26:39 PM »

What impresses me the most I think is how the Typhoon manages a 1.2 K/D despite being the Suicide Jabo plane of choice. Those Typh suiciders must be remembering to hit "attack" before flying

J_A_B

Puck · « **Reply #41 on:** October 06, 2002, 11:47:11 PM »

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Originally posted by Voss
If, I can do that and I know I'm no wonder stick, then what can the really good pilots do with it?

I was listening to Drex at the con, and he mentioned reversing a spit in the C47. That should give you some idea what =drex= can do in anything with wings.

Puke · « **Reply #42 on:** October 07, 2002, 12:01:29 AM »

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As far as perks your looking at it from the wrong end. The purpose for the perk is to reduce the census of the selected a/c. In that, it works VERY well for the very reasons you yourself explained.

Mr. Nopoop, we do not disagree and I'm not arguing anything against this. In fact, perking the LA7 and 51D isn't such a bad thing due to their numbers in the MA. A slight perk on the D9, 51D and LA7 would have a small impact on their use but I'm not so sure the MA would be a worse place with a couple fewer of them flying around. So in that regards, I understand and agree with the use of a perk system. But I'm guessing that to many who fly here and who are just "average Joe", the perks were hard-won and a very valuable commodity and to have to risk fifty of them all in one shot is daunting...and why waste them on something that really doesn't perform much better (if at all) than the free LA7. I don't know, I just think it would be more exciting if the perk system was fleshed out more and there were rides of a much more affordable cost that could be used on a regular basis by the majority.

My ultimate perk system would involve not only the aircraft, but a comparison of player rank as a modifier to determing the perks awarded a victor. A highly ranked player (a great stick) flying an LA7 would get almost no perks shooting down an average player in an F4U-1D. That same situation with the players interchanged would then provide more perks to the LA7 pilot. Pilot skill plays a huge part in the difficulty of victory in an engagement.

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Land 10 kills in a P-51D, then land the same 10 kills in a F4U-1 and note the difference.

For about three or four tours (maybe more) I concentrated on the F4U-1. Yes, it's great at earning the perks. I'm not talking about earning perks though...I'm literally talking about the cost and risk of perk points. Spending what you've collected. 60 perks is nothing to many people in here. To others who have a lesser success rate and/or can only fly a few hours per month, why pay 50 perks for an F4U-4 when it won't enhance your success much over an LA7 which is free. I'm guessing a player earns more perks in the LA7 over an F4U-4 too. May as well keep flying that LA7 and eventually save enough for the ME262 instead of risking 50 or 60 in one shot and having to start saving all over again.

But that's just one dog's opinion.

AKDejaVu · « **Reply #43 on:** October 07, 2002, 12:03:29 AM »

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Originally posted by J_A_B
What impresses me the most I think is how the Typhoon manages a 1.2 K/D despite being the Suicide Jabo plane of choice. Those Typh suiciders must be remembering to hit "attack" before flying

J_A_B

These stats have nothing to do with type of sortie selection.

If someone suicided into a building with no enemy near (and having not been pinged by someone still flying), it would not show in these stats. Only kills that were awarded to someone are recorded in the "stats" pages.

AKDejaVu

J_A_B · « **Reply #44 on:** October 07, 2002, 12:16:23 AM »

Well then, that makes the Typhoon drivers' accomplishments even more impressive then.

Typhoon drivers

J_A_B