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Offline poopster

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« Reply #60 on: October 07, 2002, 07:40:58 PM »
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I have seen you fly nopoop, you suck


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« Reply #61 on: October 07, 2002, 07:55:34 PM »
In my opinion... LA-7 is one of if not the best non-perked plane. (Of course, pilots fly different ways and certain planes can match up with their skills better) I flew P51-D a lot, but given the alt of most of the current contacts... I would get more kills and survive more in an LA-7. P51-D is fast, but there are many situations when it is flat out overmatched. P51-D's run a lot because... well... they have to. LA-7 can take off and fight in seconds... compare that to the P51-D that takes minutes really. P51-D is deadly if you have the patience to use it right... but you can feel as vulnerable as a 262 landing if you don't watch it.  Every plane has strengths and weaknesses... overall I just think the LA-7 is tough to beat.

The reason the LA-7 doesn't have amazing KD ratio is because I doubt too many great pilots are flying it. And those great pilots (and there are a lot of you out there) flying worse planes can still outmatch bad pilots in an LA-7. It is hard to make anything of the overall KD ratios really.

I'm sure some math wiz out there could come up with an idea on how to accurately rank the plane set... it would have to involve taking into account the skill of the pilot in the plane (I guess you'd have to use ranking) Consider the gauntlet thrown down.

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« Reply #62 on: October 07, 2002, 11:33:10 PM »
"you get more kills in a 51D or LA7 than you probably woud in a lower performing aircraft"

I would get FAR more kills flying a Spit5 or F6F or P-38 or 190A5 or MC205 or a host of other aircraft which have a better ENY than the 51D has.  I fly the 51D because it was my chosen ride in AW and it served me well there, not because I think it's a particularly good aircraft for the AH MA.  In fact, I tend to feel it's a bit out of its element in the MA.

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« Reply #63 on: October 08, 2002, 06:56:36 AM »
huh? jab?  The pony is superb in the MA enviroment. its fast, and agile with potent a gun package.
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« Reply #64 on: October 08, 2002, 08:42:18 AM »
yep.... I really don't see a problem with carving out a little spot at the bottom of the huge unweildy pizza map and having it an "early war only" planes area..   it would make the rest of the map smaller and more manageable too... imagine if people actually looked forward to the pizz map and the poor AK's could get rid of the nervous twitch they have developed.

just one simple way to make some of the unsused planes more useful and add parity and variety.
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« Reply #65 on: October 08, 2002, 11:22:12 AM »
 
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I would get FAR more kills flying a Spit5 or F6F or P-38 or 190A5 or MC205 or a host of other aircraft which have a better ENY than the 51D has.


JAB, as of right now, you have a 40-to-3 kill ratio on the 51D.   I'm not sure what you are complaining about.  You want more perks for those kills?
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« Reply #66 on: October 08, 2002, 01:26:21 PM »
Oh I wasn't complaining about anything, you misunderstand me.  I'm perfectly fine with getting so few points for my kills.  

I'm just trying to make a point for the "light perk" crowd that the people flying the 51D/LA7/Spit/N1K already ARE paying a couple perks per flight if they kill stuff in these planes, and they don't necessarily get any more kills than they would in higher-ENY planes.

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« Reply #67 on: October 08, 2002, 01:57:33 PM »
JAB,  roger on that.  I actually wrote what I did really quickly as I was late for work.  In fact, even edited it but wasn't able to do a good job of it.   Yes, I understand what you are saying and though I do not agree with it, your point is valid.  What you bring up is a topic which is in the gray area.  I mean, you can start nitpicking opportunity costs and all that down to the fact of how fast it takes you to get to the furball and the slower aircraft is then foregoing potentially earned perks over taking a faster aircraft.  A whole host of things like that.  But really, to just keep it simple, I just would like to see a more reasonably tierd perk system where there are a few planes in the 3-10 range and which are very affordable to the common player.  Again, some work hard for 50 perks and to risk them on an F4U-4 which hardly flies any better than an LA7 is riduculous for most.  So they either save for the 200 Me262 or they could be using them on aircraft more reasonably priced...and what goes hand-in-hand with that, the LA7 and 51Ds might see a .05% decrease in their useage which is not such a bad thing based on what I see in the MA.  (Or, there'd be a slight increase in the F4U-4 and Spit14 with a decrease in their cost.  Would it be unbalancing to see an extra percent of either of those in the MA?)  If you use all your perkies, fly that F4U-1 once or twice and you have enough to fly these "arena monsters" a few times again.

That's my point.  I'm not saying it's right or wrong, but it's just a personal preference.  In a way, I'm casting my vote for the direction of Aces High...though I understand clearly that Aces High is not a democracy.   ;-)
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« Reply #68 on: October 08, 2002, 02:38:30 PM »
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I agree with lazs.

Besides... what would you call a 152?  The Spit14 and F4u-4 would be easy... but you'd outright have to lie about the 152.

AKDejaVu


I dunno about that -in any case the wide wings make it easy to spot.

"In 1944, the Reichluftfahrtministerium (German Air Ministry or RLM) decreed that all new fighter aircraft designations must include the chief designer's name. Thus was born the Ta 152, named for Kurt Tank, chief of design at the Focke-Wulf Flugzeugbau G. m. b. H. Except for designation, the Ta 152 series is directly related to, and a natural development of, the Fw 190. "

"During the fall of 1944, Tank converted an existing Fw 190 prototype airframe (Werk-Nummer or serial number 0040) into the Ta 152H prototype."



http://www.nasm.si.edu/nasm/aero/aircraft/focke_ta152.htm
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« Reply #69 on: October 08, 2002, 05:51:10 PM »
Hey Turbot...

That is a great picture and link :D

Whoever gave you that link must be a really great guy ;) :p

LOL hehehe
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« Reply #70 on: October 08, 2002, 07:35:42 PM »
Meh...

The La7 has weaknesses. Poor pitch control at high AoA with a tendency to snap roll. High E-retention resulting in poor turn radius, a tendency to overshoot and high G's (Pile-it is usually blacked out for half the flight). Low fuel loadout, hit the main tank and it drains in a minute. Gun ballastics drop like rocks. Terrible low 12 view.

Any knights want to learn how to shake (and kill) any La7 including those with Alt-E-and-speed apart from Kbman and Shane call me next time I'm in the MA.

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« Reply #71 on: October 14, 2002, 09:38:51 AM »
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I flown the p51d Samm as a matter fact for a short time I was in 51 squad. The 51d handles better at slow speeds then the la7.


You mind elaborating on that statement Wotan?

Handling characteristics

The LA7 rolls better than the P-51 at low speed

The LA7 accelerates better than the P-51 starting from a low speed

The LA7 has a tighter turn radius and can accelerate while turning inside the P-51s best turn.

The P-51 may be more stable in flight when approaching stall speeds, but if a P-51 is fighting an LA7 nearing stall speeds, the P-51 is dead if the LA7 has half a clue.

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« Reply #72 on: October 14, 2002, 09:49:10 AM »
Turn radius is pretty irrelavant on a plane able to accelerate away from a slow fight, without any risk of being shot.  If you miss the snapshot in an la7, you can be at an e dis-advantage and still escape.

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« Reply #73 on: October 14, 2002, 09:50:01 AM »
elaborate? its clear as day what I meant.....:)

When do you fly at low speeds anyway :p

Read vulcan and zips replies. One of the easiest ways to fight an la7 is a slow scissor.

Most la7s dont have half a clue, they wont use their accelleration to maintain e.

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The 51d handles better at slow speeds then the la7.


That statement means exactly what I said, at lo speeds the 51 handles better. All the other stuff about accelleration and being dead meat when lo and slow applies to any plane fighting an la7.

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« Reply #74 on: October 14, 2002, 12:05:32 PM »
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There are many, many other good planes to worry about than the D9.

The D9 is the plane that JG/2 flies the most often when together.  We tend to do well in this plane (noted in another post) and this might skew the overall numbers.

There are many other planes that can outperform the D9 in many categories.  As has been pointed out about the La-7 (the plane may be uber, but not the pilot) it comes down to the pilot being able to fly his/her plane well.


I would agree.  I flew the D9 over the weekend and really wasn't impressed with it.  Maybe that's because I flew it like I do the other 190s, or maybe it was because I'd never flown it before. I think the reason the D9 is getting such a favorable rating is because the pilots that fly it know what they're doing with it.