Author Topic: Callsign Nazis (Read 1741 times)

Puck · « **on:** October 07, 2002, 12:58:12 PM »

When I worked at the University we had Parking Nazis, in AH we seem to have Callsign Nazis. Self appointed guardians of tase and offense who have declared themselves the arbiter of appropriate callsigns.

I do think the self-righteous Callsign Nazis are more annoying than anything you can cram into 8 characters.

But then again that's just my opinion.

muckmaw · « **Reply #1 on:** October 07, 2002, 01:05:21 PM »

Why don't we look at this from a business perspective.

Do the "Nazi" callsigns offend most players in the game?

Probably not. Do they bother me. Sure, a little, but not enough to make me pull my account.

But let's assume you have one, just one, grandson of a holocaust survivor playing AH.

What's going to happen if this person signs on, sees these callsigns, and is depely offended? Perhaps he or she will be upset enough to make a phone call to the JDL, or some other organization.

You know how the media, and activist groups just love to get their hands on stuff like this.

Worst case scenario, you've got protesters outside the HTC office, calling Dale and Co. Anti-semitic.

Now, I ask you; is it worth it to let someone have a callsign?

Ripsnort · « **Reply #2 on:** October 07, 2002, 01:09:51 PM »

Just a virtual form of online trolling (Outrageous names...the handle "pnus" offends me, because frankly I only like one, my own...but I don't whine about it)

Puck · « **Reply #3 on:** October 07, 2002, 01:10:36 PM »

That's what it's all about. Extortion.

You just have to love America.

People are not stupid, they're just sheep. I have to keep reminding myself not to expect too much from a flock of sheep. For some reason I keep loosing that lesson.

Furious · « **Reply #4 on:** October 07, 2002, 01:21:49 PM »

A name based on an actuall WW2 organization in a WW2 flight simulator. The shock and horror of it all.

ALL LW BASED SQUADS MUST BE BANNED!!!

Now if the nick had be KillaJEW or DIEnigga or some equally assinine tripe, then of course HT should do something about it.

The rest is just silly.

F.

Curval · « **Reply #5 on:** October 07, 2002, 01:22:08 PM »

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Originally posted by muckmaw

But let's assume you have one, just one, grandson of a holocaust survivor playing AH.

What's going to happen if this person signs on, sees these callsigns, and is depely offended? Perhaps he or she will be upset enough to make a phone call to the JDL, or some other organization.

You know how the media, and activist groups just love to get their hands on stuff like this.

Worst case scenario, you've got protesters outside the HTC office, calling Dale and Co. Anti-semitic.

Now, I ask you; is it worth it to let someone have a callsign?

I'm not disagreeing with you muckmaw...I am somewhat ofended too..BUT:

If I was a granschild of a survivor I would have to accept that I had joined a WW2 sim and that there are "bound" to be some such silliness going on.

I would simply change countries (if necessary) and make it my sole goal to kill the offending player time after time....but that is me.

and...on your last point...any advertising is good advertising..particularly when it is "free".

Puck · « **Reply #6 on:** October 07, 2002, 01:27:52 PM »

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Originally posted by Curval

If I was a granschild of a survivor I would have to accept that I had joined a WW2 sim and that there are "bound" to be some such silliness going on.

Unfortunatly that's not how it works in the good 'ol USA. You kick and scratch to get into the 'locker room', then complain about the conditions once you're inside and expect everyone else to change to suit you.

Muckmaw is right, I'm sorry to say. If what you say offends me I'll take legal action to make you stop saying it. I grew up under a different rule; if what you say offends me I won't listen. Rules change.

The whole Political Correctness thing has pretty much made swiss cheese out of an individual's right to free speach unless that individual has the legal and financial resources to defend it, and the will to face up to those who would silence you to suit their own agenda.

I don't have to like the new rules, I just have to live with them. At 40 you'd think I'd have learned to stop tilting at windmills.

Sucks to be me.

Shane · « **Reply #7 on:** October 07, 2002, 01:29:23 PM »

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Originally posted by Furious
A name based on an actuall WW2 organization in a WW2 flight simulator. The shock and horror of it all.
ALL LW BASED SQUADS MUST BE BANNED!!!
Now if the nick had be KillaJEW or DIEnigga or some equally assinine tripe, then of course HT should do something about it.
The rest is just silly.
F.

hmmm, so selective censorship is ok? it's a common perception, and one based on reality that SS(nazi) *was* all about jewkillas.

no one is singling out LW SQUADS - just certain names that *do* invoke some of the nastiest toejam about the german population in the 30's and 40's - nazis, if you will, regardless of whether it might be accurate or not; it's all about perceptions, and you nazi apologists need to start your own circle-jerk revisionist thread.

i give people credit for being able to distingush, for example, "soupnazi" from say... SSWaffen in terms of the implications behind the handle.

muckmaw · « **Reply #8 on:** October 07, 2002, 01:29:43 PM »

I agree with you Curval. But you are a sensible person. It's the attention starved, media hungry, "Do you know who my father is" type person that I'm worried about.

The US is a very litigious society. People are always looking for a reason to sue, and there are plenty of attorneys who are more than happy to accomodate them.

Sure, free advertising is a great thing, but I don't know if this kind of media attention would be helpful to HTC.

At any rate, I doubt it would ever get to that level, but you always have to consider the worst case scenario.

vorticon · « **Reply #9 on:** October 07, 2002, 01:31:16 PM »

if people were offended by just a name then whats stopping them from getting offended by the fact that the default plane is a lw plane.

and what about the grandsons of the japanese that were put into pow camps in canada from getting offended by the mosquito and hurricane series planes (made in canada)

Puck · « **Reply #10 on:** October 07, 2002, 01:36:36 PM »

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Originally posted by vorticon
if people were offended by just a name then whats stopping them from getting offended by the fact that the default plane is a lw plane.

Total change of topic (probably a good thing, since this one is depressing me

)

My "default plane" is "Illegal Number" or somesuch, and I end up with a P51D in the hanger.

Which default do you see?

Zippatuh · « **Reply #11 on:** October 07, 2002, 01:39:47 PM »

As long as the game is open to anyone and everyone that has an internet connection and doesn’t distinguish between age, race, sex, or nationality who gets to decide what is crass for a call sign and what is not?

Obviously anything that even remotely references the Nazi party or in general 90% of anything German during WWII brings up the “OMG – they didn’t” in people but is this being picked upon purely because of it’s notoriety? It seems the AH community has picked up this one reference as being the poster child for some sort of censorship of player names because they believe it to be personally offensive.

It’s pretty funny that this is jumped on when sometime within the last year, maybe longer, I’ve seen “polpot” (or something close to it) used. I can only assume that this ID is ok as it didn’t seem to draw anywhere near this attention. I myself found it offensive and continually looked at the player in amazement. I’m not even sure if the player had any idea who or what Polpot was.

I’m thinking we need to send Tipper a private invitation with a 6 month subscription to AH so that she can decide what ID’s should be banned and which are alright for use. That only represents what would be offensive to the US population though. We would need to also submit invitations to all other countries and all religious groups out there to make sure nothing is offensive to them as well.

What I would like to see is all aircraft visually modeled as a gray box, all icons should be in gray, no one should be able to win the war (we don’t want any losers). Actually three sides should be reduced to one, with killshooter on, disable all weapons system, or change it so ordinance discharge flower plumes, enable smoke only, then select in the mission planner the formation you would like to sightsee with.

Oh yeah, and change the “check-6” call to “Can’t we all just get along”.

Furious · « **Reply #12 on:** October 07, 2002, 02:03:12 PM »

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...and you nazi apologists need to start your own circle-jerk revisionist thread.

Are you implying that I am a nazi apologist?

I am all for a good circle jerk, don't get me wrong, but do not try to force some dumb assed nazi association on me.

I just don't have a problem with people playing the bad guy in video games.

F.

Hornet · « **Reply #13 on:** October 07, 2002, 02:24:26 PM »

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The whole Political Correctness thing has pretty much made swiss cheese out of an individual's right to free speach unless that individual has the legal and financial resources to defend it, and the will to face up to those who would silence you to suit their own agenda.

Wrong. This is not an issue about free speech. Aces High is a private enterprise. Either you abide by their community standards or you are gone.

You are the one that seems to have a problem with free speech. Regardless of what HiTech's decision is on the handles in question, people have a right to discuss it on this board. If that discussion bothers you, don't read the thread.

Shane · « **Reply #14 on:** October 07, 2002, 02:43:03 PM »

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Originally posted by Furious
Are you implying that I am a nazi apologist?
I am all for a good circle jerk, don't get me wrong, but do not try to force some dumb assed nazi association on me.
I just don't have a problem with people playing the bad guy in video games.
F.

you leapt for the association with nazis with your "ban all LW squads" screech.

but that's ok, the average Luftweenie needs to stand by his nazi brethen, seig heil and all that, deustchland uber alles!!