We get a war - oh yay, LGB's on CNN! :D

[Krusher]

Originally posted by MrLars

There's an old tag that is used for describing a rabid Rep. "Yellow dog Democrat". The concept that ANY canidate that is Republican is better than any Democrat on any given ballot is not only flawed but history has shown that it's even dangerous. The reverse is also true.

in Texas, I was always told that a Yellow dog democrat meant that they would rather vote for a yellow dog than a republican. I guess the meaning is the same anyhow.

funny how this war argument looks like the presidential election.
50 percent support the president and 50 percent are busy trying to make everything he does and says look like the end of the world.

[Vulcan]

Saddam has survived at least 12 assassination attempts and reportedly been shot 4 times. This has lead to an image of an 'immortal' among the Iraqi's.

Plus hes savvy to snipers etc. Sorry send ya sniper teams home boys.

[StSanta]

Someone wrote:


Newflash:The U.S. doesn't import heroin and cocaine.It is SMUGGLED in because the U.S. has ruled it's use illegal.


Heh newsflash: the Iraqi's do not import . It's smuggled in because the world has ruled its use illegal.

The Iraqis are just the consumers. Just as the yanks are with cocaine.

The only wee bit of difference is that a some of the stuff smuggled in is done so with the governments blessing.

Seen from a social perspective, Iraq is just a small subculture within the society known as the World. Sorta like drug users in the US.

And it be pretty hard to stop drugs from entering the US, wether the government tries or not. That was my point .

At any rate, we get a war. Damned thread hijackers

[Staga]

So is there any new cool and sexy weapons we could see in CNN?
I hope the quality of the pictures taken from guidance cameras of the missiles are better now, those B&W footages were not looking too "high-tech"

[Nash]

Using snipers to take out Saddam is political assasination, which is a no-no in US law. It's not allowed.

Why? Perhaps, maybe, it gives licence to other countries to use the same means. On the US, even. Don't want that. Wouldn't be prudent.

Same deal with the world court stuff, aint it?

Anyway...

No, you must make a formal declaration of war. And you must barge in with men, tanks, planes and an ample supply of body bags. That way, it's all civil-like. And, well... who in the world is gonna challenge the US in this particular brand of *legal* "regime change".  They'd get their arses kicked! Right? Hell yeah. Perfect.

Strikes me as, well, notable that in order to make this whole regime change legal, or legit, it's probably a good idea to get (for all intents and purposes) US "guided" UN approval.

Actually... lemme digress.... Ya know what? I'm typing this thing... this "regime change"... and looking at it for almost the 1st time. It's funny how words or phrases just sort of enter our common lexicon. Regime change. Now, I know this to mean "overthrowing of government". But man, a "regime". Regimes are bad, right? It's not a government... it's a (brace for it) regime! Oh the horror... Anyway, those guys in Iraq are certafiable, but I can't help but feel dupped every time I robotically just say stuff that's undoubtedly concocted by the White House marketing dept.

"Hey George, Mikey came up with this great thing over coffee.... get this dude: "Regime"... It's so brilliant I pissed myself. No literally I'm dead serious I was standing in a pool of it and even I had to laugh. Yer gonna say it 18 times in your next speech, George...Ok? Ok.  Because we all know - eighteen exposures makes a SALE!" .... Hi-5's ensue.

K... what was I blabberin' on about before?

Oh yeah! No... in a civilized world (laff), it seems the only proper way to go about messin' with toejam is with UN approval (and yeah, tanks and planes and alla rest of it). But like, lets assume Mr. Hussein has a difference of opinion with the US. Perhaps they smell funny to him. Just what the hell is he gonna do about it? "Yes Mr. Kofi please, we entertain a greivance". Uh huh right.

Now don't get me wrong.... Iraq is like a toejamE example....heh completely absurd... but I'm havin a goof here and pretty much wingin' it - SUE ME.  

But.... on some level.... What if Saddam said: "Know what? I got a sneaking suspicion the US has weapons of mass destruction and it turns out, they don't really like us so much. Now I aint one to split hairs here but I think we got some kind of self preservation issue arisin'. That's just a guess but... Yo Kof! Can I get a witness!" And Kofi's like, "Dude, do I know you?"

And Saddam's like... "Hey man I'm in a real pickle here. A real fricken bind. Throw me a bone here.... something."

And Kof's all like "Ssssshhht Jesus Christ will ya quiet down? Last time I checked your sig wasn't on my pay check. You damn well KNOW I can't authorize some kinda regime change on your behalf. That toejam aint CHEAP! Go back and run the numbers; count in triplicate the barrels and get Russia and France to sign on to your PO form and THEN maybe we'll get to the skinny. But aim HIGH dude, cuz this man Bush seems pretty determined, fascinated almost... not even almost... he's geeked out about the whole entire thing".

Oh crap I can't even continue with this goofiness. Too drunk. I apologize!

But it bugs me in a way. Minutes after 9/11 we get someone at state goin' "Sir we have to parlay this into a reason for an attack on Iraq". (huh? where did that come from?) Then we get this other guy saying "No no, George, we can't roll out this product, this war, during the summer... the play is bad and sheep feed in the fall". Some geek tellin' folks to "watch what they say and do". Donald screeching "oh for the love of GOD let us blast stuff up!". Nuther guy beggin' for the right to tap every phone line and  dig through yer c: drive no doubt outta prurient interests cuz he aint gettin' it at home or some such other catholic type weirdness.

It's odd... "republicans and individual rights". I just don't get that. "Hello, this is the operator. Will you accept a long distance collect call from DISCONNECT?"

Hmm... back to the front....

It's the economy, stupid? No way - it's the WAR stupid. Any war.

Anyone seen anything substantial on Iraq's nuke program? You seen it Rip? Have You Eagler? I'm guessing no, you haven't. Oh wait, you have?!!! What is it! Do fill us in. Oh.... ok... no... you haven't. All you know is that Bush says there's all kinds of nastiness going on. How luscious for you.  Er, don't feel left out - he aint givin' anyone else any more info than he's giving you.

But appearently we're all in need of a regime change over there. Cuz it's important to us and everything.

Back to the thing I started this total nonesense with... political assasination. I guess Hussein tried to off Bush Sr. Well hell, I'd be RIGHT pissed if someone tried to do that to my dad. I might even order men and tanks and planes and alla rest of it to go in and set that POS straight.

We humans... we're pathetic, really.

[Sox62]

Originally posted by StSanta
Someone wrote:


Newflash:The U.S. doesn't import heroin and cocaine.It is SMUGGLED in because the U.S. has ruled it's use illegal.


Heh newsflash: the Iraqi's do not import . It's smuggled in because the world has ruled its use illegal.

The Iraqis are just the consumers. Just as the yanks are with cocaine.

The only wee bit of difference is that a some of the stuff smuggled in is done so with the governments blessing.

Seen from a social perspective, Iraq is just a small subculture within the society known as the World. Sorta like drug users in the US.
At any rate, we get a war. Damned thread hijackers

Ummm...there is a bit of difference here.The U.S. actively tries to stop the import of Heroin and Cocaine,and NONE of the stuff smuggled in has the government's blessing.

Iraq has been exporting goods(I.E.-oil)not to buy food for the people,but to rebuild it's military and and possibly weapons of mass destruction.This however,is being done BY the Iraq regime,and is hardly being slipped in unnoticed.

I guess Saddam is sitting in his palace,wringing his hands while those nasty ol' Iraq smugglers export his oil,and buy weapons.I'll bet as I type this,he is probably trying to figure out a way to stop it.

[Krusher]

Originally posted by Staga
So is there any new cool and sexy weapons we could see in CNN?
I hope the quality of the pictures taken from guidance cameras of the missiles are better now, those B&W footages were not looking too "high-tech"

how about this stuff

[Animal]

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[Monk]

Originally posted by MrLars





We are there and I would bet that on more than a few occasions Saddam himself has been in one of our operatives scopes crosshairs.

 

[Hristo]

Like any scapegoat out there

[Eagler]

question...

the war has begun and ..
saddam and his merry band of arse kissers turn up in location for some real hi level meeting.
Our military knows 100% they are there. But we can't get to him by any other means than a couple of cruise missiles or smart bombs. We know he is in this location of say about 6 buildings. To be sure he & his crew are  taken out, we'd have to destroy all the buildings. Problem is the other buildings are full of men, women & children used as human shields. Say btwn 50 to 100 of them.

question:
would America have the it in them to do what Israel would do in like situation?

Would the media understand and support such action, would the public?
would you?

think in terms of how many US lives it would save ...

how about before he launches a chemical/bio attack on Israel or our ground troops? what about after such an attack, would that change your mind? WHy? there would still be 100 civies dead ..

[Mighty1]

Eagler the question would be would we ever know who was in the other buildings? Our side could say all the people were bad and their people would say they were all civillians.

How would we know for sure AND would we really care?