Author Topic: F4U-1D carrier Takeoffs porked? The proof!! (Read 1295 times)

Red Tail 444 · « **Reply #30 on:** October 08, 2002, 06:36:28 PM »

heres the film

Red Tail 444 · « **Reply #31 on:** October 08, 2002, 06:38:14 PM »

heres the film...second attempt.

If it doesnt go through this time, contact me at corsair_pilot_mn@yahoo.com and I'll send you the film.

F4UDOA · « **Reply #32 on:** October 08, 2002, 06:40:08 PM »

Err,

I don't see any link??

BTW is this film pre 1.08??

F4UDOA · « **Reply #33 on:** October 08, 2002, 06:41:41 PM »

I'll email you Redtail.

THANKS!!

ra · « **Reply #34 on:** October 08, 2002, 06:44:14 PM »

Low speed, high AoA flight is the weakest part of the FM in every sim I have ever flown.

ra

J_A_B · « **Reply #35 on:** October 08, 2002, 07:44:02 PM »

I posted a film of a fully-loaded F4U takeoff awhile back; it may still be on the boards. If you follow proper procedure and don't try to fight the plane it's not all that tough.

J_A_B

icemaw · « **Reply #36 on:** October 08, 2002, 08:54:30 PM »

If someone has a film of a f4ud taking off with 100% fuel and 2 1000lb bombs + rockets I would like to see it. I dont mean after you backed up either. I can back up from spawn and take off. But I have NEVER seen one get up from the spawn point. I have never been able to do it. I have tried all flap wep man take off no flaps you name it I have tried it and the hog will not get off the deck with a full loadout.

F4UDOA · « **Reply #37 on:** October 08, 2002, 09:12:29 PM »

Thanks Icemaw,

I'm glad I'm not the only one.

I have never seen anyone do it either post 1.08.

JAB is your film post 1.08? If you could just do it offline and post I would appreciate it. No takers yet.

BTW. How the hell do you back up on a carrier deck. I have no idea. Could someone post that little tidbit?

Mr. Blonde · « **Reply #38 on:** October 08, 2002, 09:26:24 PM »

to back up on a carrier: start engine, release brake, crack throttle just a hair if you don't see your craft moving aft, crack it a bit more until it does. Use rudder to steer, if you're brave and impatient you can hit WEP once over any of the wires and you will sling shot back to stern and right off the boat if you're not careful. Must turn WEP off for brakes to have any effect.

Don't forget to brake

Innominate · « **Reply #39 on:** October 08, 2002, 09:43:16 PM »

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Originally posted by icemaw
If someone has a film of a f4ud taking off with 100% fuel and 2 1000lb bombs + rockets I would like to see it. I dont mean after you backed up either. I can back up from spawn and take off. But I have NEVER seen one get up from the spawn point. I have never been able to do it. I have tried all flap wep man take off no flaps you name it I have tried it and the hog will not get off the deck with a full loadout.

I'd be more than happy to show you, or anyone else interested, how to do this in an H2H arena, gimme a yell on ICQ or AIM(check my profile)

F4UDOA · « **Reply #40 on:** October 08, 2002, 09:46:20 PM »

Mr.Blonde,

I just spent 20minutes working on this. I don't roll an inch.

Also I found JAB's film and one other. Frankly I'm shocked.

One constant that I have seen is the 90MPH mark. When JAB made it he was at about 92.5MPH on the digital film viewer. I cannot reach that speed. I get about 88MPH then I go in the drink.

Testing on dry land shows 90MPH to be the majic number. Is it possible that all FE's are not the same??

HT or Pyro please chime in on this.

Moloch · « **Reply #41 on:** October 08, 2002, 09:51:54 PM »

zipped film attached

I turn off all trim (use right rudder on rolling and right after takeoff) wep on while holding brakes and release brakes after second of four notches of flaps..

my speed at the end of the deck is right at 90.

F4UDOA · « **Reply #42 on:** October 08, 2002, 10:28:26 PM »

I don't friggin believe this.

I found JAB's film and watched it. Set trim identical to his. Full power no WEP full flap and three notches flap.

I freaking made it each time??

I checked the viewer to check my speed. WEP made no differance at all in acceleration to the end of the deck. both times I was at 88MPH and made it. Barely but I made it.

However the problem still exist.

1.Why is it so hard to reach 90MPH by the end of the deck. The A20G reaches 97MPH in the same distance with a full load.

2. WEP makes no differance in takeoff run. Is the WEP not working on the F4U-1D? At least at low speed it is invisable.

3. Why do twins even bombers accelerate so well? the A20G, Mossie and P-38L are way overachieving here.

4. The F4U-1D should not fall off the end of the deck like it does. I still think it is way to sluggish at full power low speed.

Red Tail 444 · « **Reply #43 on:** October 08, 2002, 10:30:57 PM »

to back the plane up, you need RPM at 2100...I sent my film to F4UDOA...I got no clue how to post it here...

It's not all that hard...just tricky..enjoy

Urchin · « **Reply #44 on:** October 08, 2002, 10:38:49 PM »

I did it 3 times in a row, filmed the last one. Think I failed the first 3 times, might have been 4. Once I got the hang of it I didn't think it was to horrible. F6F is a lot easier to take off though. P47 and P51 I couldnt get them to take off from the spawn point. I might have been able to do it if I rolled back some, not sure.

Heres the film, not sure exactly what I did. Think I dropped a notch or two of flaps as I passed the tower, and another notch or two as I cleared the deck.

Jeeez. Attachment is to big. Email me at Urchin@3-jg2.com and I'll send it to you. You can also try shodges1@comcast.com, but its been acting up lately.