Author Topic: Perk Transport(?) (Read 428 times)

brady · « **on:** October 08, 2002, 03:20:15 PM »

The SM 82 was capable of carying 20 paratroopers and droping them all very quickely, by use of a side door and by using the bottom cargo doars. The SM 82 was also armed wih a dorsal 12.7mm and at least 2 waist 7.7mm guns and some times up to 4 of these guns were caried. I mentioned perking in the title because of the extra paratroppers she could deleaver. This aircraft was intenionaly designed to be a transport for Italy and was such an outstanding design that the Luftwaffe bought all the Italians could spare.

This from a web sight on the SM 82:

"The Savoia-Marchetti SM 82 Canguru was an Italian heavy bomber/transport aircraft of the Second World War first flown in 1939 and developed from the Savoia-Marchetti SM 75 civil transport aircraft with the fuselage lengthened and deeper. When used as a transport aircraft, the Savoia- Marchetti SM 82 featured folding seats for forty passengers, though many more were often carried in an emergency. The Savoia-Marchetti SM 82 was powered by three 950 hp Alfa Romeo 128 RC.21 9-cylinder radial piston engines providing a top speed of 370 kmh and a range of 3000 km. Armaments consisted of one 12.7 mm machine gun, four 7.7 mm machine guns and up to 4000 kg of bombs."

Now the SM 82 was also capable of being used as a bomber and caried queit a usefull load, howeaver very few of the type were imployed in this role, the nead being so great for it in the Transport role. Indead during operaions in East Africa the SM 82 faried CR 42 fighters their, she could take one compleat CR 42 and two extra engins in one trip!She could also cary light tanks and a Kublewagen was easly fitted into her hold.

People have been asking for an "armed" transport for delevering paratroopers for quiet some time, now their are other armed transports even Varents of the C 47 like the Japanese Tabby and the Russian built vershion. But what sets the SM 82 apart and ahead is the extra capacity, and the extreamly important role she played for the Axis. Not to mention the abaility for a load out option for bombs. Serving in almost every theater for the Italians in WW2 as well as the Germans she would certainly make an interesting adation to AH.

palef · « **Reply #1 on:** October 08, 2002, 03:34:26 PM »

Nice idea Brady, I like it.

You could make it's primary role the bomber variant (unperked) and then use perks for the super transport version.

That would give a useful Italian trimotor bomber and we could stop whining/battling about the SM79 and Cant 1007

palef

brady · « **Reply #2 on:** October 09, 2002, 02:59:01 AM »

Well it would kill two birds with one stone:), But I still say the Cant Z 1007 is best:)

Shiva · « **Reply #3 on:** October 09, 2002, 09:00:23 AM »

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The SM 82 was capable of carying 20 paratroopers and droping them all very quickely, by use of a side door and by using the bottom cargo doars.

The C-47 carried 28 paratroops in actual service; the AH load of ten troops is a game artifact, not a representation of the actual carrying capacity of the plane.

If you want a perked transport, then given that more Ostwinds die in the MA every night than were ever produced by Germany, this variant of the C-47 would be interesting to implement. There were only 5 actually converted, but 150 sets of floats were produced for field conversions:

iceydee · « **Reply #4 on:** October 09, 2002, 10:22:41 AM »

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Originally posted by brady
When used as a transport aircraft, the Savoia- Marchetti SM 82 featured folding seats for forty passengers, though many more were often carried in an emergency.

shiva, it still carries more than the C47... I think it would be awesome to have it in the game as bomber/transport...

brady · « **Reply #5 on:** October 09, 2002, 01:04:30 PM »

Shiva I am not shure i see why a float C 47 would be perked, and I dont see what the death of more osty's in the MA than were made has to do with anything realy, more C hogs( espichaly before they were perked) died as well , Ta 152's ect.

Their are some very interesting Float planes/sea planes that were Transports that were actualy used in large numbers, that had bomber varients that would be great for game play.

As I said above the the thing that realy sets the SM 82 apart is the Large troop capacity/ cargo capacity, coupled with the fact that it could be used as a bomber with an bombload (operational) greater than that of the B 17 at least the load we have in the Game). Granted the SM 82 is not my first choice for an Italian Buff but it is an interesting Idea and would enable two new and usefull types, espichaly since the Germans used them so much.

brady · « **Reply #6 on:** October 09, 2002, 01:06:56 PM »

Good In Flight pic:

palef · « **Reply #7 on:** October 09, 2002, 07:22:43 PM »

Plus when we get the CR42, we can drop them off for point defense at Ports or something!

palef

FDutchmn · « **Reply #8 on:** October 09, 2002, 11:18:58 PM »

ahhhhh I want this one!!

brady · « **Reply #9 on:** October 10, 2002, 01:11:50 AM »

Yes an Emily would be best for any seaplane BUT we are not talking about those hear:) and we are waving this flag at the moment:)

Shiva · « **Reply #10 on:** October 10, 2002, 10:17:14 AM »

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Shiva I am not shure i see why a float C 47 would be perked, and I dont see what the death of more osty's in the MA than were made has to do with anything realy, more C hogs( espichaly before they were perked) died as well , Ta 152's ect.

It would be perked because there already is an aquatic troop transport -- the LVTA2; the seaplane version of the Gooney would let people working from a CV group get troops ashore faster and easier, as well as giving them the ability to capture fields that are either much further away from the shoreline than is practical to drive an LVT or are on top of cliffs that the LVT can't climb. It changes the balance of power in a CV-vs-field exchange.

As to why the Ostwind death rate is relevant, the existence of that vehicle in the game, given its miniscule production numbers, while aircraft and vehicles that had production runs in the thousands aren't modelled, shows that HTC is perfectly willing to implement vehicles/aircraft that were extremely rare, so the limited production of float sets for the C-47 should not in and of itself be a stumbling block for its implementation.

Wilbus · « **Reply #11 on:** October 10, 2002, 11:14:32 AM »

GIGANT!

Drop all 100+ troops, together with some small anti tanks guns

brady · « **Reply #12 on:** October 10, 2002, 01:29:19 PM »

Shiva, sry somtimes I am a little thick:)

In the case of the osty I realy feal it is simply more representive of a number of different AA GV's in service with a bunch of countries, Russia, Brition, and the USA and Germany had a bunch of diferent armored 37/40mm AA guns in service and I think the osty was simply the easest for HTC to model because of the Panzer hull they had. SO bearing that in mind you may well have a point the C 47 already exists and would be easy to convert.

Howeaver I was looking for a good excuse to model a plane for Italy:)

Shiva · « **Reply #13 on:** October 11, 2002, 10:26:20 AM »

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Howeaver I was looking for a good excuse to model a plane for Italy

Oh, I fully concede that we need bombers from other countries -- we've got heavy and medium American bombers, a medium and a milkrun bomber for Germany, a heavy bomber for Britain, and a light bomber for Japan. We should have a British medium bomber, heavy and medium Russian bombers, at least a medium Italian bomber, and at least one medium Japanese bomber (probably the G4M Betty), and the Stuka and He-111 for Germany (so that early-war events can have a historical planeset).

NOD2000 · « **Reply #14 on:** October 11, 2002, 12:09:36 PM »

ki-67 is a medium bomber that japan has.......

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