Author Topic: The Hispano (Read 1270 times)

Urchin · « **Reply #30 on:** October 12, 2002, 01:56:35 PM »

That is interesting Lev. I heard a couple little pings (like .303 pings) and then one big crack, and the tail was gone.

I assumed you had hit me with a snapshot, and 1 hispano round had landed on the tail. I've seen single pings break off the tail and wingtips before, I assumed that was what has happened.

I had also thought that AH 'played' the hit sounds for every round that hit you. Haven't you ever gone back to the tower and still heard hit sounds for a little bit (a couple seconds)?

Obviously you landed quite a burst on me there, so it wasn't just one ping that took off the tail. I wonder how come I didn't hear more hits then?

RRAM · « **Reply #31 on:** October 12, 2002, 03:12:53 PM »

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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying

I'm curious. Was it the image I posted of me shooting Urchin at about 220 yards with 14 rounds of 20mm that made you think that the Hispanos are hopelessly overmodelled, or is it just some hunch?

Because I'm not talking about this example. I'm talking about HIspano implementation in Aces High and damage modelling in general.

I'm talking about my own experience when flying proton torpedo-fitted planes... One ping in the tail usually (50% of times) equals a destroyed tail. One ping in the wingtip usually (50% of times) equals a destroyed wingtip.

And I'm talking about my own experience when being hitted by one of them (If you still don't believe me, I can dig into the General Discussion forum to find the 1K 1-ping hispano kill by Fariz on my 190A8 if you don't believe me).

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Pongo · « **Reply #32 on:** October 12, 2002, 04:16:53 PM »

Poor ram. One of the only guys to suffer through this game that can turn anyone into a cheer leader with his drivel.

-ammo- · « **Reply #33 on:** October 12, 2002, 04:32:01 PM »

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Originally posted by RRAM

Coming from an prettythang-licker like you, that's almost a confirmation that I'm right.

Thank you.

your mother

Nashwan · « **Reply #34 on:** October 12, 2002, 04:43:42 PM »

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AH's gunnery model is too simple to be real, and damage is too magnified. In RL, one hit in the tail or the wing would rarely get such catastrophic results as you get in this game, except on japanese rice-paper planes.

From an RAF report "EXAMINATION OF BULLET STRIKES ON CRASHED GERMAN AIRCRAFT "

Effect of a Hispano 20mm hit on the tail of a Ju88

"Blew a hole in the leading edge measuring about 18" vertically and extending about 18" back from the leading edge on both sides. Also distorted the fin and lifted it's base just under the leading edge, about 9" from the fuselage."

There was also a lot of fragmentation penetration, up to 5 feet from the point of detonation.

That was probably the single hit that brought the Ju88 down. Another Hispano shell blew a large hole in the tailplane, and some AA shell splinters perforated an aileron and the tip of the tailplane.

If a single 20mm can lift a Ju88 fin 9", it should make quite a mess of any fighter's tail.

Shiva · « **Reply #35 on:** October 12, 2002, 04:49:13 PM »

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20MM ROUND
20mm = 2cm
2cm= proxy 1 inch

with 4 of them (on hurrc2lese)
thats about
2*4
80mm
8cm of lead going into your plane its not 1 ping your getting with the hurc if its set right its 4 so thats like getting hit with a howzwitzer shot from the panzer
8cm being 4inches

Eedjit. You have to look at cross-sectional area, not just diameter.

A 20mm circle has an area of less than 0.5 square inches. Four of them has an area less than 2 square inches. A 75mm circle has an area of 6.8 square inches. The two do not compare. Look at the image, and see for yourself:

RRAM · « **Reply #36 on:** October 12, 2002, 04:59:28 PM »

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vorticon · « **Reply #37 on:** October 12, 2002, 05:38:19 PM »

thank you for correcting me shiva

but

when you shoot even for just a millisecond it releases about 14 shots from EACH PAIR of cannons or 28 rounds

thats still more rounds going into you over a wider area than you would with getting hit by a single howzwiter shot wich in this game are 75mm.

Karnak · « **Reply #38 on:** October 12, 2002, 09:29:41 PM »

Stop posting hypothetical and exagerated examples.

Take a P-38, use its single Hispano and do controled tests in the DA.

Don't take examples where you blew some major portion of a plane off when you don't know for absolute certain that the aircraft was undamaged up to that point.

Go get real results, then post them. This hyperventilating is useless.

whgates3 · « **Reply #39 on:** October 13, 2002, 02:03:24 AM »

i thought the P-38 used an M2 20mm cannon - but i think one round from each should be similar in effect, the hispano having a slightly lighter shell and slightly higher muzzle velocity (according to the 0.50 cal lethality thread) than the M2...of course it all depends on how HTC programmed it AH, tho

Vermillion · « **Reply #40 on:** October 13, 2002, 06:34:10 AM »

The P-38 does have the M2, as do all the other hispano equipped planes in AH, other than the Tempest with the M5 I believe.

niklas · « **Reply #41 on:** October 13, 2002, 09:27:14 AM »

i have an assumption why hispanos feel like laser in AH, but to be sure i´d need more informations.
Pyro once showed me debug info of the .50cal, so when he could show me shell speed of the hispano at 100, 500 and 1000y i would help me a lot (now when they already begin to show code, this shouldn´t be a problem i hope

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So if it isn´t too secret pls Pyro show me that speeds thank you.

niklas

Kweassa · « **Reply #42 on:** October 13, 2002, 10:22:05 AM »

What exactly do you have in mind, niklas??

whgates3 · « **Reply #43 on:** October 13, 2002, 03:12:51 PM »

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Originally posted by Vermillion
The P-38 does have the M2, as do all the other hispano equipped planes in AH, other than the Tempest with the M5 I believe.

not sure if i read this correctly, but does this mean that the US 20mm M2 cannon is the same thing as the Hispano?

Karnak · « **Reply #44 on:** October 13, 2002, 03:18:12 PM »

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Originally posted by whgates3
not sure if i read this correctly, but does this mean that the US 20mm M2 cannon is the same thing as the Hispano?

Yes. The Hispano Mk II that the Spitfires, Typhoon, Hurricane and Mosquito carry is the same gun as the M2 20mm that the P-38, B-29A, F4U-1C and Helldiver carry.