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Offline dracken1

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« Reply #15 on: December 30, 2001, 08:21:00 PM »
i'd like to see the beaufighter very fast for it's time,bomber.torp,night fighter etc
plus co pilot could reload its cannons in flight.or the ju88 with the 20mm cannon cos at the moment it's defensive capabilities are causing some attacking fighters to get their paint jobs scratched.b17 and 38 should have camo paint not that ali baking foil colour they have at the moment.was thinking about the swordfish but maybe not lol.

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« Reply #16 on: December 30, 2001, 08:22:00 PM »
SM79 was one of the best torpedo bombers of the war, and it was Italian.

The Ki67 we are getting is one of the best medium bombers of the war.

The Il-4 was rated by some to be the best medium bomber of the war. The Tu-2 was right up there.

The Me410 could be a supreme Jabo ride.

I could go on, but you get the idea. ;)

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« Reply #17 on: December 30, 2001, 10:15:00 PM »
Hello Ya'll,

NewNuke,I personally agree with that,but if they add it they'll need to make a P-82 Twin Mustang so the B-29 can be escorted!  :D Hey we all have our plane's that we would like to see. I would like to see a couple P-40's (Hawk 81A-2 and P-40E) added to the US plane set! Then add whatever plane's to the other countries,they do need em. Just my few cent's!  :p

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« Reply #18 on: December 31, 2001, 09:50:00 AM »
Why perk the b29? it saw plenty of war time.. Are you all just saying that because it would be the most useful buff? If so lightly perk it, nothing drastic. i would love to see this bomber added in, anything with a higher bomb load.

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Kieran, none of those bombers you listed are long range heavy bombers.

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« Reply #19 on: December 31, 2001, 10:16:00 AM »
Am0n-

The header says "Need new bombers".

Ki67 has a 2,360 mile range.

Il-4 has a 2,647 mile range.

Why do we have to have a B-29? Sure, give us an uperked B-29, just make sure you unperk the 262 when you do. Both of these planes are in a different league. Remember, in 1.9 we get 4-bomber flights, meaning one pilot upping a B-29 has 80,000 lbs of bombs at his disposal. Coming in at 30K, this is a dead HQ in one pass. That would be just ][ short of a tactical nuke power. Pretty perkable, if you ask me.

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« Reply #20 on: December 31, 2001, 12:41:00 PM »
Sorry about the heavy bomber statement Kieran, confused it with another thread i was reading.

I would still hate to see a heavy perking on this AC (light like a CHog to control over use) , it seen plenty of war time. Its not some AC that only 500 were made. If you would want it perked because of its obvious "buffness", these plenty of other AC in the MA that need to apply to that rule..

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« Reply #21 on: December 31, 2001, 01:41:00 PM »
Here's what I think of the B-29- it is the very best of the breed from any country. It completely dominates the field from nearly every perspective. If the AH staple of adding several thousand feet of performance to bombers holds true, you would see routine flights of 360mph 35K buffs. Placed in groups of four, you would then have formidable opposition that unperked fighters couldn't catch, and perked fighters wouldn't dare approach.

And really, if you aren't going to perk the best of the breed, what are you going to perk?

On a game balance issue, what would the Axis have to counter? While this is immaterial to MA play to a point, there is the valid point of trying to fairly represent all sides. Give the Axis the He-177 first, then talk B-29.

Still, for my money I would rather see far more useful medium bombers. They are typically fast enough to get in and out and carry sufficient bombloads to get the job done. Witness the Ju88 or B26- both carry bombloads approaching the B17, yet both perform better (aside from high alt). Granted they haven't the defensive fire, but they have much better speed. And the tactical nature of the MA makes using mediums easier and more efficient.

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« Reply #22 on: December 31, 2001, 02:08:00 PM »
I agree that it does need to be perked (or did the last post even).

Just not heavy perking, it wont see any air time otherwise and that doesnt do the bomber justice. As i stated previously i think that it should have a very light perking, 8-10 perks.

I fly the b26 quiet often, its better armed than any other bomber in AH IMHO.. yea its lacking a lower turret but it has a humungous ammount of ammo on the 6 gun. If you know how to aviod a belly attack your home free.

I dont know of this HE-117 you speak off, what was its specs? I really could care less of the bombers nationality, i just want one with some fire power beside 2x50's (with barely any ammo) and a bunch of worthless pea shooters.

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« Reply #23 on: December 31, 2001, 02:15:00 PM »
<<<On a game balance issue, what would the Axis have to counter?>>>

But this isn't an Axis-vs-Allies game.  You can fly anything you want.  My hope is to see the most popular and known aircraft flying first, including early war aircraft like the Wildcat and Warhawk.  To not put something in because the Axis side isn't even seems kind of odd to me in how Aces High is set up.

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« Reply #24 on: December 31, 2001, 03:17:00 PM »
The He-177 is the closest thing to a German heavy put up in WWII. It had two paired Daimeler-Benz engines mounted in two nacelles. It didn't have much range, but it could pull a decent bombload, including guided missles, and sported defensive armament that included cannons.

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My point isn't to make the MA more real; far from it. My point is this is an international game, and the other countries have stated a desire to be represented. More, I rather relish the prospect of getting to fly unique aircraft never before represented in a game. That isn't to say I wouldn't like to see the things mentioned, only that I have an order of preference in what I want or what I think would be useful. Just my opinion, of course.

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« Reply #25 on: December 31, 2001, 04:53:00 PM »
Kieren,

I would love to see an HE111.  I would count that as a very well known and popular aircraft from the war.  I do see your point, though you are speaking on other countries' behalf, but still I cannot make the argument that making the planeset even between the participating countries is more important than just plain and simply adding the most well-known aircraft.  B-24 and B-25 are known the world over, it's a fact, and should be in at some point.

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« Reply #26 on: December 31, 2001, 05:32:00 PM »
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Originally posted by Am0n:
I dont know of this HE-117 you speak off, what was its specs?

He177 looks good on paper... heavy bomb load, good defensive guns, decent number produced.  
However, operationally, it was a piece of garbage.

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« Reply #27 on: December 31, 2001, 08:31:00 PM »
The buggs that plagued the He 177, were mostly worked out, and the aircraft saw use in relatavely large numbers aganst Russian targets. Their were a ton of problems with them inatialy but eveunataly these were worked out.

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« Reply #28 on: January 01, 2002, 11:37:00 AM »
Brady--


Out of curiosity, have you ever played Fighter Ace?  

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« Reply #29 on: January 01, 2002, 12:52:00 PM »
I want the stuka (ju87)