Author Topic: Rank Whining :again: (Read 1561 times)

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #30 on:** October 12, 2002, 10:38:06 PM »

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Originally posted by -ammo-
also, guys that fly cannon birds (given an equal amount of gunnery skill) will have a better hit percentage than those that fly multi machine gun armed AC

AND:

I look at this way, taks many less hits to down the enemy (especially in a hispano or Mg 151 bird. This means less shooting, Plane dies on the first pass.

No ammo. I think it's the other way around. And I have the perfect example to prove it, me in the Bf109G6. Before I used to fly it with the 30mm only, never 1x20mm 2x13mm. When you fly the 30mm its the only gun you fire due to wierd balistics and it kills in one hit. My hit% was about 5-6% average nearly every tour. Then I started using the 20mm/13mm combo, where I always fire all three guns thus far more bullets than with the 30mm, my hit% went up much higher sometimes even average of 15%. By your theory of firing fewer bullets and more damage per bullet the 30mm hit% would be much better, but the 20mm/13mm combo gave me much better results, and dont tell anyone more kills per sortie are possible with that combo too...

And no I'm not any better today than before, in fact my flying/dogfight/ aircraft controls skill is very poor now because I hardly ever fly last appx. one year.

BTW my hit% is also much higher with Bf109G6 1x20mm 2x13mm then when I flew FW190A5 when I only carried and fired the inboard 2x20mm and never used the 7.92mm MG.

Voss · « **Reply #31 on:** October 12, 2002, 11:19:37 PM »

Ammo, go up and attack a buff with MG's.

Yeager · « **Reply #32 on:** October 13, 2002, 12:27:31 AM »

When I was a kid we used to ride a horse. It was an ugly horse but everyone liked it.

As far as this thread is concerned.....what was the question?

Lazerus · « **Reply #33 on:** October 13, 2002, 01:30:03 AM »

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Originally posted by Steve
Voss only has like 6 points because all his kills are proxy kills whilst he hides in ack

Made Voss auger 2 times, me in 205, him in el gay 7, made my night. I did shoot him down a third time, and he still says he owes me 3 deaths. I must be better than I think I am:D

And sorry for the slow reply Voss, I always squelch ch1 as soon as I get in, my squadies told me you were commenting on the event:D

Lazerus · « **Reply #34 on:** October 13, 2002, 01:34:46 AM »

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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
Just about every stat trades off on every other stat. One stat will reward one flying style more than another (by and large).

Meaning... if you fly to live and are very selective about your fights, you'll probably have a very high K/D and K/S, but a low K/T. If you're a furballer, your K/D and K/S will be lower, but you'll probably have a higher K/T.

Arguing that K/T encourages vulching doesn't hold water either, because all stats go up from vulching. Someone who vulches all the time will have an extremely high K/D, K/S, K/T, and hit percentage to show for it. With that in mind, we might as well just eliminate stats entirely if vulching bothers you.

So no, K/T belongs as much as any other stat does, though I do find the self-serving whining every couple of weeks about it to be quite amusing.

-- Todd/Leviathn

Ditto

Tac · « **Reply #35 on:** October 13, 2002, 01:43:34 AM »

no no...

AH should have TWO ways of keeping score.

The Landed Kills per Hour

And

Kills per Hour

That way the Suicide Furball & Spray/Pray cannon pilots can have their own stats and the Alt Monkey & Premeditated Gank pilots can have theirs.

What midnight said is true as well, the landed kills per hour will probably get porked for the pilot if he has to fly a long ways to get to the enemy or fight smart (aka take long time).

But, if BOTH systems are used, you can just compare Landed Kills per Hour with Kills per hour. Maybe average both out and get your "final" stat from those?

Urchin · « **Reply #36 on:** October 13, 2002, 02:25:48 AM »

I don't buy any of this crap. The scoring system works fine as it is. You want to know the 'secret'? Do really good in one or two stats, and average or good in the rest. You'll be ranked in the top 50 every time. Yea, I know this means you have to be a pretty good pilot to, but that is why the scoring system works.

-ammo- · « **Reply #37 on:** October 13, 2002, 02:27:30 AM »

well, it is just theory. I had sett this in my mind due to discussions with squadmates, and my own reasoning within my mind. I seem to do better with hispano birds than I do with my P-47. My tactics don't seem to change, but my hit % certainly goes up a notch or two. I normally keep my hit percentage (fighter only) in the 11-12 % range. This tour, I flew the Chog and the one thing about that thing is while my p-47 shreds enemy AC well, the Chog just oblitterates them by just tapping the trigger. The difference being the amount of rounds needed to kill is dramatically different. Now, *if* I was good enough to keep my bullet stream on target during all the manuevering with my P-47, my hit percentage would be higher. Right now I have a 16% hit percentage. I attribute that to 2 things, flying the chog, and vulching bombers

The bigger the target, the better your percentage.

I saw something in here one day that alluded that if you shoot your OWN hangers, it improves your hit percentage, is that really true?

Voss · « **Reply #38 on:** October 13, 2002, 02:36:48 AM »

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Originally posted by Lazerus

Made Voss auger 2 times, me in 205, him in el gay 7, made my night. I did shoot him down a third time, and he still says he owes me 3 deaths. I must be better than I think I am:D

And sorry for the slow reply Voss, I always squelch ch1 as soon as I get in, my squadies told me you were commenting on the event:D

Lol, yeah that was great!

You didn't shoot me down though. They were all midairs with your bud, or you. I was trying to stay out of, and keep from hitting the other bishop there (dunno who). Caution to the wind and all that, so you can't say I'm uber-safe now can you?

Urchin · « **Reply #39 on:** October 13, 2002, 02:37:47 AM »

I don't think it is true, but I haven't tried it. I know in fighter mode a bullet counts as a miss unless it hits an enemy plane, so shooting GVs and ack and buildings makes your accuracy go down. I do it anyway, I could care less.

Voss · « **Reply #40 on:** October 13, 2002, 02:40:05 AM »

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Originally posted by -ammo-
I saw something in here one day that alluded that if you shoot your OWN hangers, it improves your hit percentage, is that really true?

Huh? So, maybe that is what Shane was saying in that other thread. Man, that's lame! It's not surprising Shane would know about it, though.

hmm, bet it only works in attack, though, as fighter gunnery (I know) only counts when you hit airplanes.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #41 on:** October 13, 2002, 02:48:05 AM »

I gave up on the AH ranking/score scheme when once my rank improved from about 400 to something like 48 after flying two bomber sorties. Made no sense....

As for my flying style I just go out and attack but with the aim not to get shot at or at least not get myself trapped in stupid escapeless situations. This way I can still be agressive and get lots of kills per sortie a decent K/D, and a good K/T, even with a slow plane like the Bf109G6. This type of attack flying is fun for me.

So ya'll P51 runstang dweebs stop whining about K/T, I run out of fuel in my G6 before I run out of ammo in many 6-7 kill sorties - even with the light single 20mm armament... With your fuel and ammo loads I see no reason why you experienced P51 guys arent getting huge K/T and K/S all the time.

MANDOBLE · « **Reply #42 on:** October 13, 2002, 06:40:27 AM »

K/T have no meaning at all because they punish the people doing something as realistic as long fighter sweeps, friendly CAP, buff interception towards HQ, scorting buffs, etc.

In the other hand, Hit% is too dependant on the guns u use and the target u fire at. Do you want a boost in your hit%, find a goon and discard all your bullets in it.

IMO, K/T and Hit% should be deleted but considered for points when your flight ends, as well as other factors as fuel loaded or time of the day. Taking off with 100% fuel at night and getting a kill should rewards more points and taking off with 25% at morning time and getting the same kill.

Fatty · « **Reply #43 on:** October 13, 2002, 09:20:14 AM »

If we didn't have k/t how would we know who the pansies are?

Rude · « **Reply #44 on:** October 13, 2002, 09:51:59 AM »

I'll tell ya what's not fair!!!

I have smoked for 25 years...I cannot smoke in my home(4 kids, 1 wifey)...so, I go to the garage as soon as I take off. I enjoy this initial smoke as it prepares me for battle(approx. time elapsed, 7-10 mins).

Now, when I return, I'm somewhere in the vicinity of 15k to 20k, depending on the occasional stop to the head. So....

NOW, I have to suffer the criticism of Lazs about how I have no courage and I'm a weenie, yada yada yada!!!

I dont' think I can stand this any longer............I QUIT!!!!