Author Topic: Rank Whining :again: (Read 1440 times)

Hooligan · « **Reply #75 on:** October 14, 2002, 10:18:51 AM »

This is really simple but apparently some people don't get it.

1) Hit percentage is meaningless, either you kill the other aircraft or you don't. It shouldn't be part of the score.

2) A high kill/death indicates that you are doing something right. Getting a high kill/death is not easy.

3) A high kill/time indicates that you are doing something right. Getting a high kill/time is not easy.

It is very very difficult to have both a high kill/death and kill/time. If you try to push up one of these stats the other tends to suffer. If some can rank high in both of these stats, this indicates that they are very good. I personally think that a high "score" should mean that the pilot in question has a good chance to prevail under any circumstances, whether they start the fight with and advantage or disadvantge.

Hooligan

Airhead · « **Reply #76 on:** October 14, 2002, 01:04:49 PM »

I hate guys that sneak up on my 6 and shoot me when my back is turned- then when I turn around they fly away and try to get behind me again. How chicken is THAT? Real men fight face to face, mano y mano. When you see me coming you know I'll try to do the manly thing, which is to shoot you face to face.

I think HO kills should count for more points than a sneak attack against my back. Why does HT award cowardly behavior? I had one jerk last night sneak up, miss me, turn around to face me and I shot him, and he called ME names for fighting face to face!

They need to do away with scores because all that's happening is the arena is filling up with "Points Chickens-" all the REAL men are in Fighter Ace.

Wlfgng · « **Reply #77 on:** October 14, 2002, 01:15:13 PM »

or CFS !

Midnight · « **Reply #78 on:** October 14, 2002, 01:43:10 PM »

If I think about it really hard....

You're right. I really don't care about rank that much in the MA. The conditions to get a lot of kills don't come easy. Some days, like Sunday night 10/13/2002 I couldn't be killed and was shooting everything down. This morning, I was having troubles even getting in firing position and was shot down twice for only 3 kills.

Whatever it is, I don't know. So I guess I just won't worry about it anymore until 1.11.

lazs2 · « **Reply #79 on:** October 14, 2002, 02:23:28 PM »

midnight... you fly one of the fastest best late war planes when 90% of the rest of the arena can't touch you..... you fly it the way it should be flown to achieve a pretty much risk free kill.... you also fly with as many squadmates as you can that are all of a like mind....

That is all fine and is well within the rules of the arena but.... to do it all the time is..... taking advantage... gaming the game.... being timid... To advocate the removal of the only score penalty that penilizes such timid game the game blandness is..... beyond self serving. I think you guys might get a little more respect if you got into mediocre planes and duked it out once in a while.

normally when I see your planes hoving high over what was once a good fite I know it is time to leave and find a better fight somewhere rater than play dodge ball.

general lazs.
Public Relations Officer for the BK's

krazyhorse · « **Reply #80 on:** October 14, 2002, 02:29:34 PM »

if i get laid before or during ah does that effect my overal score, hehe dmn betcha:D

Wlfgng · « **Reply #81 on:** October 14, 2002, 03:01:33 PM »

the best pilots are the ones that win the 1-1 ladders!

the best squads are the ones that win the squad vs squad duels.

not necessarily the same thing

ygsmilo · « **Reply #82 on:** October 14, 2002, 04:14:30 PM »

Dang ya Laz,,,,, coke spew on the moniter,,,,

dodgeball ----- thats to funny.

Think of the great squad names that will now be in.

for example-- "TheGoathumpindodgeballplayina ltmonkeysrus"

Blue Mako · « **Reply #83 on:** October 14, 2002, 07:09:09 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
blah blah blah blah I'm macho, you're not blah blah blah blah you should all play my way blah blah blah blah I can speak for everyone here blah blah blah blah you ruin my fun when you play your way blah blah blah blah

general lazs.
Public Relations Officer for the BK's

Lazs, the only thing you have shown is that you forget that this is a game. We are all sitting in front of a monitor, what we do while sitting there doesn't show how macho we are, it just shows how we each think the game should be played. Your endless crusade to insult everyone who doesn't play the game your way, flying the planes you approve of, is just stupid...

Midnight has suggested that the k/t stat not be included in calculating rank as it is a disadvantage for players who like to travel further than the nearest furball before looking for kills. It is also a disadvantage for those who like to land there kills. I personally don't think k/t should be entirely removed from the rank equation.

It was also suggested that the stats for landed kills be counted on a different scoring systems. I like this suggestion, with some modification. I would prefer not to see two scoring systems but rather base only the rankings on landed sorties only. That way, stats could still be kept (regardless of sortie outcome) but to gain in rank landing would be encouraged. It might even deter all of those suicide missions so many people are annoyed at...

Fatty · « **Reply #84 on:** October 14, 2002, 07:32:30 PM »

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It was also suggested that the stats for landed kills be counted on a different scoring systems. I like this suggestion, with some modification. I would prefer not to see two scoring systems but rather base only the rankings on landed sorties only. That way, stats could still be kept (regardless of sortie outcome) but to gain in rank landing would be encouraged. It might even deter all of those suicide missions so many people are annoyed at...

Err, you mean in addition to kill/death and damage/death?

Landing is rewarded by the current system, though I haven't noticed that many furballers complaining about it detracting from their kill/time stats.

Blue Mako · « **Reply #85 on:** October 14, 2002, 09:51:28 PM »

Kill/death and damage/death still imply that death is okay as long as you get kills. I think the rank should be calculated on kills/sortie, kills/time, damage/sortie and hit percentage for landed sorties only. Continue to track k/d and d/d for all sorties but don't use them for calculating rank.

Thoughts/suggestions?

lazs2 · « **Reply #86 on:** October 15, 2002, 08:19:09 AM »

as I and others have said... the stats equal out. The only worthless one is hit percentage probly.

If only landed sorties were counted then you would get what you wanted... your "style" of play would be rewarded more heavily but... it would tend to discourage the use of slow planes or medium fast planes going to other bases... all base attacks would be made in fast planes that could run home risk free.

maybe you are happy flying only one type of plane in one manner but I don't want to see an arena full of your ilk.

macho has nothing to do with it... timidity comes out in peoples personalities in lots of ways. In the game it is quite obvious. Prove me wrong... do as the tas guys do and try flying some other planes.... try flying those in the middle ground instead of the top 5%.... try actually fighting it out.

certainly you have learned to game the game well and you have developed the skills needed to cover each other and further reduce the risk but... I don't think the rest of us are impressed.... even by the major. your particular brand of dodgeball must be getting old even to you.

general lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's

Wlfgng · « **Reply #87 on:** October 15, 2002, 08:56:59 AM »

dodgeball.. now THAT took skill !

lazs2 · « **Reply #88 on:** October 15, 2002, 09:13:41 AM »

yep.... dodgeball...bet they don't even allow that in school these days.

even back then... there were throwers that thought they were the skilled ones.
lazs

Wlfgng · « **Reply #89 on:** October 15, 2002, 09:16:39 AM »

Isn't that a drag!!?? not having dodgeball.. it's .. un-american!

roflmao.. too true!