Author Topic: Mission Arena – Will you fly it? (Read 888 times)

715 · « **Reply #45 on:** October 14, 2002, 09:07:08 PM »

Will you fly the Mission Arena?

Probably not, or at least, not often.

The CT normally has no more than 5-10% of the players that the main arena has. I think this is because the CT is restrictive: you can only fly a limited collection of planes. The mission arena would appear to me to be considerably more restrictive than the CT: you will be able to only fly one kind of plane, only at a certain time, only to a certain objective, only in a certain way, with a prechosen target. So many constraints may mean that only a few people would be interested in each mission.

However, like others have mentioned, it's always good to have choice so it's good to have the mission arena choice.

poopster · « **Reply #46 on:** October 14, 2002, 10:46:28 PM »

I doubt it. I'm sure of it as a steady diet.

popeye · « **Reply #47 on:** October 15, 2002, 07:02:28 AM »

I'll give it a try.

It will be interesting to see how side balancing is accomplished, which I think will be the biggest challenge. I'd guess that most of those who are looking forward to this arena picture themselves flying their favorite plane against an equal force of historical adversaries. I wonder how they will react when all the One Trick Pony slots are full and they are offered a ride in a "dog".

lazs2 · « **Reply #48 on:** October 15, 2002, 07:56:03 AM »

geeze beetle.. I'm kinda flattered that you think about me so much but... to think about how other people think about me? Aren't you getting just a triffle.... obsessed.

As I have told you before... it has nothing to do with you being attractive or not.. I just don't go that way. we can still be friends tho right?
lazs

lazs2 · « **Reply #49 on:** October 15, 2002, 08:21:26 AM »

most of the "historical" guys are one trick ponies...
lazs

muckmaw · « **Reply #50 on:** October 15, 2002, 08:57:08 AM »

Having only flown limited times in the CT, I am speaking from a position of considerable ingnorance. However, if I am not mistaken, themajor difference between the CT and the Mission Arena is the concept that the Mission Arena will be structured, and not a simple Main Arena with a limited plane set, like the CT appears to be.

So you are restricted as to what you fly, but you will fly in an organzied fashion, with a stated objective and rewarded for a job well done.

TO me, the CT, is only the MA, with a limited planeset,and somewhat better sportsmanship.

I'm very very interested in the Mission arena, and will probably make it my new home.

I have no qualms about giving up my F6F. Flying a limited planeset only helps your dogfighting skills, as you learn the capabilites of the planes you fly against in the Main. It sure can't hurt.

Innominate · « **Reply #51 on:** October 15, 2002, 09:01:00 AM »

It's too early to ask this question I think. If it's implemented one way, many people will fly it, while many others will hate it, or implemented another way, will be the other way around.

Once we know more specifics, then it's time to ask the question.

beet1e · « **Reply #52 on:** October 15, 2002, 03:04:07 PM »

Lazs!

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As I have told you before... it has nothing to do with you being attractive or not.. I just don't go that way. we can still be friends tho right?

Well, if that is an olive branch, I feel I must give consideration to accepting it.

We've known eachother a long time, since WB 2.01 when we flew for Purps.

But first, can you rise to Beet1e's Lazs Challenge? All you have to do is to write five things you like about Aces High, and name three people with whom you enjoy flying, and why. If you can do that, without voicing your disdain for anyone and without berating the game or any of its arenas, I will consider your olive branch.

HFMudd · « **Reply #53 on:** October 15, 2002, 03:21:08 PM »

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most of the "historical" guys are one trick ponies...

Now why would that be any more or less true for non-historical guys? Assuming that I, as a common CT denizen, fall into the "historical" group, I freely admit that for early, mid and late war I have favorite rides to which I tend to gravitate. For early war I enjoy the turn and burn A6M2. In the mid war setups I tend towards BnZ in the 190A5. In the late war setups I find the Nik and F6F to be enjoyable.

Now if the only mission slot available in the Mission Arena turns out to be a B-17 I will probably give it a miss. I don't really enjoy flying the heavies. But somehow I don't think "fighters" vs. "bombers" where the "tricks" be alluded to.

lazs2 · « **Reply #54 on:** October 15, 2002, 03:29:58 PM »

ok beetle....

I like the FM's in AH
I like the view system in AH
I like the damage model in AH
I like the gunnery in AH.
I like the sense of permanance all the above have over other sims.

there are more but u asked for 5.

3 people I enjoy flying with?

pick any three BK's even drex is ok to fly with but I am sick of propping him up and making him look good.
lazs

eskimo2 · « **Reply #55 on:** October 15, 2002, 04:03:31 PM »

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Originally posted by muckmaw

TO me, the CT, is only the MA, with a limited planeset,and somewhat better sportsmanship.

The thing that sets the CT apart for me is the historical mach-ups. I like fighting against big blue planes when I'm in a Zeke, etc. If I want to pretend that I'm Pappy Boyington, I want to shoot at little zippy planes with big red meatballs on the wings. Fighting against other hogs, and a hodge podge of planes from all countries is a worthy challenge, but not immersive and believeable.
The Mission arena should also address this immersive issue, probably even better than the CT. My anticipated problem with the mission arena is my lack of patience may lead me astray. I tend to die every 5 to 15 minutes. If missions only start every 30 minutes, well I can see my self wandering to the CT or MA for a quickie. I'll prolly just get started in a good fight when the next Mission Arena sortie starts, die 2 minutes later, then end up staying put.

eskimo

beet1e · « **Reply #56 on:** October 15, 2002, 05:52:45 PM »

Lazs -

Hmmm... I should really mark your test as an F. You didn't follow the instructions. You were asked to say WHY you like flying with those particular guys, but you didn't. You might have been joking when you said

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even drex is ok to fly with but I am sick of propping him up and making him look good.

but there was an element of disdain there.

WHY do you like flying with those guys? Come on, say something nice!

It wont kill you.

However, the very fact that you agreed to take "Beet1e's Lazs Challenge" indicates that you want your olive branch to be considered, and that you ascribe to me a certain amount of credibility - something your pissant touring partner Hooligan is not prepared to do! LOL

Pongo · « **Reply #57 on:** October 15, 2002, 05:58:55 PM »

Not if numbers are as out of whack as the MA.

lazs2 · « **Reply #58 on:** October 16, 2002, 08:24:12 AM »

beetle... i have no idea what you mean by "olive branch".. you seem to think that I am your enemy or sumthing. I am not your enemy. Simply because I point out the times that you are wrong and do my best to make sure that your wrongheaded ideas are disputed is no reason to feel that I dislike you personally.

as for "why".... well.. I thought that saying I like flying with fellow BK's was enough. I thought everyone knew that flying with BK's is an end unto itself and the heigt of the AH experiance.

I like flying with people who don't take themselves too seriously and who are bright with a good sense of humor. An example would be stealing each others kills and laughing about it. All sorties are loosely agreed upon... or not... The guys I like to fly with will come back to help even if they have no ammo and are damaged.. I have chased cons off squaddies when I had no ammo at all.

The "missun" arena... I actualy hope that it is excieting enough and somehow... works for the "simmers" the ones who think they know about realism. They can't ever agree so I doubt it but... I hope they go there. There are probly 50 guys on during prime time in the MA that I would never miss... Their leaving would enhance my experiance slightly rather than detract from it but.....

no one knows what the missun arena will be like. It may be jam packed with excietment and fun and attract a lot of us.. If that's the case tho.... the "simmers" will roundly condem it as a "furball" arena. If it is slow and timid.... the furgballers will stay away in droves and it will be another niche arena competeing with the likes of the CT.

The faithful will hide from each other in it and get one or two kills an hour and promply declare themselves the only skilled players in the game.
lazs

Montezuma · « **Reply #59 on:** October 16, 2002, 01:02:05 PM »

The 'capture the base with paratroops' model that AH uses in the MA and CT goes back over a decade.

The 'auto scenario', or 'auto Dok' has been the holy grial of MMP flight sims for a long time. It was tried before in AW2 and it failed. Why did it fail there?

The first reason it failed is that players are rats (tm DD) and will find any hole to exploit. An example was the squad reservation system. Players would reserve the best planes (say a small flight of 262s) and then switch sides at the last minute to deprive the other side of those planes. Flight plans were treated as suggestions, buffs often were able to make their runs un-opposed. That is, if there were enough players willing to fly buffs at all.

Another big reason it failed was that the missions got stale, people got tired of running the same missions over and over.

Despite these problems in the past, I am confident that if HTC makes an a full effort, they can be the first to get it right.