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Offline Widewing

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Ships sink way too fast
« on: October 14, 2002, 12:14:10 PM »
Ever notice that a carrier sinks in a matter of seconds? This is remarkable unrealistic. Typically, an aircraft carrier can take many hours to sink. As it stands now, if you are on deck when it goes down, there is insufficient time to egress your aircraft.

My suggestion is that the CV sink at a rate equal to the time required for it to spawn again. That way, as soon as it disappears from view, it appears at the port. It's guns would be silent, nothing can fly on or off. Let's have a reasonable model of sinking.

I doubt a non-compartmentized ship like the Mayflower would sink as fast as our CV does.

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Re: Ships sink way too fast
« Reply #1 on: October 14, 2002, 12:49:39 PM »
Asked my father in law about that who served in the pacific during WWII. And saw this stuff first hand And has more then a few stories to tell including one of a buddy of his that was literally nailed to the side of a ship by a strafing Jap plane. but that is another story
That would depend on a fw things. Where the ship was hit and what was damaged. Some ships took hours to sink. others sun in a matter of seconds or minutes. Some exploded outright  and simply vanished in a  cloud of smoke.
In the case of the carriers it would depend on the damaged donw to the ship if planes could egress before it sunk. If the ship was listing heavily or if the flightdeck was smashed egress would be impossable even if the ship stayed afloat for hours. so it is not entirely unreasonable to think that even if a ship was unsunk there would be no way to fly from it.


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Ever notice that a carrier sinks in a matter of seconds? This is remarkable unrealistic. Typically, an aircraft carrier can take many hours to sink. As it stands now, if you are on deck when it goes down, there is insufficient time to egress your aircraft.

My suggestion is that the CV sink at a rate equal to the time required for it to spawn again. That way, as soon as it disappears from view, it appears at the port. It's guns would be silent, nothing can fly on or off. Let's have a reasonable model of sinking.

I doubt a non-compartmentized ship like the Mayflower would sink as fast as our CV does.

My regards,

Widewing
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« Reply #2 on: October 14, 2002, 04:09:50 PM »
How about we leave ti the way it is so that we don't have the frame-rate hit that a smoking and sinking CV would be?
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« Reply #3 on: October 14, 2002, 04:45:00 PM »
So does anyone have actual data on how fast it took a CV to sink after being salvo'd upon by a flight of 3 Lancasters at 1500 feet?

anyone???

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« Reply #4 on: October 14, 2002, 06:37:10 PM »
I dont know how long on average. But flight operations would be ceased after the first hole in the deck..so widewings point is kinda silly.
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« Reply #5 on: October 14, 2002, 07:34:24 PM »
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So does anyone have actual data on how fast it took a CV to sink after being salvo'd upon by a flight of 3 Lancasters at 1500 feet?

anyone???

Lonz


As far I know the only significant ship hit by lancasters was the Tirpitz. It rolled over pretty quickly apparently but then it recieved 3 direct hits with 12000lb tall boys from 16K feet plus a number of near misses IIRC. It was at anchor in some Norwegian ford at the time.
The allies at least seemed to think that level bombing of ships at sea was a waste of time.
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« Reply #6 on: October 14, 2002, 08:07:24 PM »
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So does anyone have actual data on how fast it took a CV to sink after being salvo'd upon by a flight of 3 Lancasters at 1500 feet?

anyone???

Lonz


ahhhhhhh comon are you serious??? jesus you people are data mad!

the ships sinks thats it , who cares how long it takes! sheeesh!
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Re: Ships sink way too fast
« Reply #7 on: October 14, 2002, 08:07:24 PM »
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I doubt a non-compartmentized ship like the Mayflower would sink as fast as our CV does.
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put a couple, hell, even *one* 1,000lb egg on it, pray tell *what* would even be left to sink?

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« Reply #8 on: October 14, 2002, 08:40:52 PM »
Well Shane if it's an AP bomb it'd just go right through :)

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« Reply #9 on: October 15, 2002, 05:34:20 AM »
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ahhhhhhh comon are you serious??? jesus you people are data mad!

the ships sinks thats it , who cares how long it takes! sheeesh!


Someone apparently got killed when his boat sank, and is now ranting.
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« Reply #10 on: October 15, 2002, 04:27:43 PM »
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As far I know the only significant ship hit by lancasters was the Tirpitz. It rolled over pretty quickly apparently but then it recieved 3 direct hits with 12000lb tall boys from 16K feet plus a number of near misses IIRC. It was at anchor in some Norwegian ford at the time.
The allies at least seemed to think that level bombing of ships at sea was a waste of time.


 I saw a show on discovery wings about the sinking of the turpitz. One of the lanc pilots was interviewed and he said the lancs never hit the ship. One of them big bellybutton bombs landed right next to it and blew all the water out from under it. The ship slid into the hole and the water came back in and covered it up. I think they said they was using the 25000lb bombs. I could be wrong tho.
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« Reply #11 on: October 15, 2002, 05:38:43 PM »
yes , the english perfected the "water hole bomb" they would drop the bomb in front of the ship and blow a big hole in the water and the ship would fall into the hole and sink
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