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Offline Blue Mako

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« Reply #60 on: November 10, 2001, 03:52:00 PM »
hehe just realized something: Big Week is on a Sunday.  D'oh!!!  I'll be at work, won't be able to join in!   :(

Anyway, I hope my points are helpful in pointing out the hiccups in the registration process.

LoL Sunday...  <shakes head>  Can't believe I was griping when I cant even join in...  :o

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« Reply #61 on: November 10, 2001, 03:53:00 PM »
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Yep my idea is not perfect, I guess I'm not that worried about the actual selection mechanism but my beef is this:

I WAS NOT ALLOWED TO STATE MY PREFERENCE.

My preferred slots were not available for me to select as a preference.  A preference should be open to everyone, not just to those who choose it first.  That is the purpose of having the second and third choices after all.

That is what I don't like about the selection process used here.  It should have said "Choose your SPOT", not "choose your preference".

In the end I will fly where I can get in.  If it wasn't my first choice then so be it.  However, I feel that I should have been able to at least state my first choice...

Don't get me wrong, I don't have a beef with the guys who are setting this up.  A big <S> to them for going to the effort of making this scenario.  I just think this could have been handled better/differently.

If we want to get into semantics here. I can't find anywhere on the registration form where we ask for a "preference". The form asks for your "Squadron Choice" ... first, second and third.

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« Reply #62 on: November 10, 2001, 08:26:00 PM »
No say it ain't so mako.....who's gonna help me figure out where to get all this leather that the 190 A-8 flight manual says is required for optimal performance??????

Santa?

Hblair?

any of you other loosewaffles?

 :D


in other words, it would have been nice if squads would have been able to join together even if they didn't get the plane they wanted.

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any help/tips for flying this brick with wings would be appreciated  :)

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« Reply #63 on: November 10, 2001, 08:39:00 PM »
originally posted by exile
 
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If we want to get into semantics here. I can't find anywhere on the registration form where we ask for a "preference". The form asks for your "Squadron Choice" ... first, second and third.

he's just saying that we where never asked for our actual preference nor given a choice, he wanted something along the lines of the Hostile shores registration. allied/axis fighter, allied/axis bomber, where you where placed was up to the organisers of the scenario......
I would have prefered that myself, but maybe there was just to much work invoved for the CM's?

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« Reply #64 on: November 10, 2001, 08:44:00 PM »
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This idea has some merit and could easily be implemented. I really like the idea of a "random draw" to fill slots. It covers the problem of people rushing to get a slot first and the issue of reserves at the same time.

very nice and clean     :cool:

Damnit!

I had that idea first  :(

Friggin people stealin my kills again.   :(

And I didn't get my preferred ride either, but no one sees me complainin about it.
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« Reply #65 on: November 10, 2001, 09:08:00 PM »
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he's just saying that we where never asked for our actual preference nor given a choice, he wanted something along the lines of the Hostile shores registration. allied/axis fighter, allied/axis bomber, where you where placed was up to the organisers of the scenario......
I would have prefered that myself, but maybe there was just to much work invoved for the CM's?

I understand and yes it is too much work to have to manually place people in squads based on their preferences. There would still be those who did not get what they wanted and we would most likely be hearing from them how they didn't like how the registration was run or that favoritism was shown and so on.

We are trying to automate the process as much as possible. We are already committed to this registration, but you can bet we've learned a few things and the registration for the next scenario will reflect what we've learned.

We understand we can't please everyone all the time, but we are trying as hard as we can.

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« Reply #66 on: November 10, 2001, 09:47:00 PM »
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The deal is... we're now having these scenarios every 3 months

Too many, IMO. You do NOT want to burn out the population. Just when you finished one, you're already registered for another one. You will feel tired and worn out.

We did this in AW. Scenarios became the biggest thing. So we did them too close, and people left. It became dull, and boring. Scenarios should be something special. Rare, yet, often. The Main Arena is just practice for that deciding frame in the scenario, where your heart is pounding and your not playing a GAME anymore. You are the bombadier, that Spitfire pilot, that P-40 pilot.

I suggest you don't do them that quick. 3 scenarios a year would be great. None in the summer though.

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« Reply #67 on: November 10, 2001, 11:08:00 PM »
Aub, think of it this way...

AW scenarios were usually six two-hour frames.

AH scenarios seem like they're going to be four two-hour frames.

So 4 AH scenarios is like 3 AW scenarios.  

Also, it's not 'Just when you finished one, you're already registered for another one', it's--you finish one, you have a month off, the next month you register and practice, the next month SCENARIO!, the next month off, etc...

The only thing is that the designers/organizers end up with more work this way.  :)

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« Reply #68 on: November 11, 2001, 04:37:00 PM »
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If we want to get into semantics here. I can't find anywhere on the registration form where we ask for a "preference". The form asks for your "Squadron Choice" ... first, second and third.

Ok, sorry I wasn't clear enough, I wasn't trying to say the form asked for "preferences", substitute the words "squad choice" instead.

As I understand a confirmation type registration, it should run along these lines:

You register for the squadron of your choice, regardless of how many other people have picked that squadron.

You then choose a second and third choice...

Confirmation emails are sent out, offering the first (10 or however many) people signed up in a squad that choice.  This is the first round of offers.

After a few days (whatever time chosen), confirmations are in and those spots are locked in.

The second round of offers goes out, any unfilled spots go to the people who have chosen that squad as their first choice but where not offered it in the first round.

When the second round of confirmations come in the remaining spots are then offered to those who put in second and third choices in those squads.

Yes it sounds long winded and it is but otherwise why ask for confirmation and second and third choices?  As it stands atm, you cannot actually select a squad if it is full.

Thus even if people who asked for that squad initially don't confirm registration, you CANNOT get offered a place in your squad-of-choice because you HAD to choose another as your first choice (ie preference).  Thus the people on the reserves/walk-ons register get offered the spot you wanted to register for in the first place...

P.S.  Pugg I should be able to fly at least the first and third frames (early Mon morning my time)...  Are they 1 or 2 hour frames?  If I can get a rostered day off from work I may be able to make the other frames...  I'll start looking at the leatherwear instructions now.

P.P.S. Anyone know how g-string is spelt in German?

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« Reply #69 on: November 11, 2001, 04:51:00 PM »
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Yes it sounds long winded and it is but otherwise why ask for confirmation and second and third choices?  As it stands atm, you cannot actually select a squad if it is full.

The thinking behind this is that with the possibility of so many people hitting the site at once, there is a good chance that there are more than just you making the same squad choices you are. If 2 people both select squad x as their first choice and there is only 1 slot left, then the first person to submit their form will get the slot and the other person will most likely get his second choice, unless of course that was just taken by someone who submitted their form at the same time ... and so on ........

I do like your desciption of a multi round confirmation process though. We are already planning a better registration process for the next scenario.

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« Reply #70 on: November 11, 2001, 05:07:00 PM »
Looking forward to flying in the scenario, regardless of the ride.  I do appreciate the hard work you scenario guys are putting in.  Glad to see you are taking the suggestions on board.  Keep up the good work.  :)

Is it going to be okay for me to only make it to a couple of the frames?  I will try and make it to all but my boss kinda expects em to be at work on Monday mornings.  :(

How long are each of the frames?

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« Reply #71 on: November 11, 2001, 09:01:00 PM »
Salute to the organizers of this or any special event.

It has to be people with great talent that design and organize something this large.

The hours donated freely are apparently only valuable to yourselves.

Just answering every critasism of your efforts as fairly and openly as you do, well that speaks volumes about your character.

If ever I can help in any way to ease your work load, please feel to contact me.

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« Reply #72 on: November 11, 2001, 10:49:00 PM »
Yup, I'm pretty much fed up with it.  I've been in probably 20 or so scenarios and I've never gotten my choice of ac unless I was gl.  I'm tired of "supporting the community".  I either fly what I want or I don't fly.  HTC should run these things regularly instead of leaving us to wait months for a player supported one to come along.  

 
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No matter what happens now, good or bad in the scenario, the registration is going to leave a bad taste in the mouths of alot of the community of AH.

   :(

I'm sorry to say it, but registration was handled extremely poorly, and unfairly to the community at large.

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« Reply #73 on: November 11, 2001, 10:51:00 PM »
WTF does that mean?

 
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Rare, yet, often.
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« Reply #74 on: November 11, 2001, 10:55:00 PM »
Should be once a month, at least, whether player run or HTC run, preferably HTC run, better continuity that way.


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