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Offline Vermillion

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« on: July 16, 2000, 05:24:00 PM »
So who all out there shot "me" down on Saturday afternoon? I bet you didn't know you were actually flying against ...

Well, let me set the stage.

On Friday morning at the AW Con, I'm sitting at my computer in a mostly empty con room at 10:00 am, pretty hung over and in a bad mood.

Jordi, the AW Con organizer is talking to a guy that just walked in and says "Hey Bob, what handle do you want on your name tag?" This guys answers "Mouse will be ok".

Now, the names "Bob" and "Mouse" aren't familiar to me. But something keeps tickling my brain. Hmmmmmm.....

All of a sudden it hits me like a ton o bricks.

Its Robert Shaw !!!! The guy that wrote "Fighter Combat, Tactics and Manuvering". The fighter pilots bible.      

To make a long story short, I start to talk to him and he's a great guy. Real easy to talk too. I end up having lunch with him that day, and talk alot of "fighter stuff" over the next 3 days with him. In one of our talks, we are talking about all the different sims on the market and AH comes up. I mention that I play it, and he says he flew the beta offline, was impressed, but hadn't tried it lately. So I offer to let him fly my account and see what he thinks.

So Saturday morning we fire up AH on my machine (in a room with 120 other computers running AW) and he starts to get a feel of my controls, and the game offline. In about 5 minutes he was flying better landing patterns than I can.

First sortie out, I put him in a Zero at a field that has a low fight over it. But by the time he gets to the fight its over. So he flys around trying to figure out what all the buttons on my CH stick and throttle do (   thats about 7 4 way or 8 way hats, and 15-20 buttons) Needless to say he wasn't paying attention and I wasn't either, when a P47 zooms out of the stratosphere and blows him up (oops my fault was showing him how to check the map). Mx22 scores a kill.

Second sortie out, Bob being the typical fighter pilot wants revenge real bad. So he takes up a P51 (by now we have drawn quite a crowd). I hadn't eaten breakfast, so I leave him to fly a little and come back to find out that he scored a B26 kill, and shot up a Spitfire (smoked it) before getting dumped in a typcial convention network dump when someone tripped over a extension cord that supplies power to a network hub. No kidding.

Third Sortie, I convince him to try out the Yak-9U. By now he's just getting a very basic understanding of how I have my controls setup, but he's flying VERY well. He gets a kill on a N1K2 (perfect planform cockpit shot, one short burst, one kill) and then tangles with a 190A5 for what seemed like forever. Beautiful fight to sit back and watch. It ends up in rolling scissors on the deck with about five cutbacks by both pilots, when he losses sight of the 190 because he hits the wrong hat switch on my stick. RAM scores a kill.

So here is a guy that has a total of about 45 minutes of stick time in the game total, flys 3 sorties, gets two kills, and then just barely gets killed by a pilot that must have over 300 hours in the AH 190.

And to top it off, he was embarassed about how "bad" he flew.

In fact I was talking to RAM on private after that, about how good the fight was, and I was about to tell RAM who he was flying against, when Bob said "don't tell him it was me, just tell him it was a friend of yours".

Jeez   I would hate to see how "bad" he was after a few hundred hours in a favorite plane. A real natural.

So if you ever get a chance to talk to Robert "Mouse" Shaw, don't pass up the opportunity. He's a great guy.

Of course after that, I had to let a bunch of other people fly AH on my machine for most of the rest of the day.

Now, if I can just talk him into joining the squad.....  

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Offline Replicant

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« Reply #1 on: July 16, 2000, 05:52:00 PM »
Thanks for sharing that with us - very interesting and something I would have loved to have seen myself!  

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« Reply #2 on: July 16, 2000, 05:57:00 PM »
Cool story Verm.  I know he flew WB too for a while.  Everybody I know that's met him has nothing but good things to say about him.  And his book rocks.  I hope HT invites him to the AH Con.  

P.S.  I know of about a dozen other "real" fighter pilots in AH or WB.  They tend to kick bellybutton LOL.  Check 6.

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« Reply #3 on: July 16, 2000, 06:05:00 PM »
That is great! If he had a stick set-up he was used too, I know we would all be schooled by the Master! In this sim you have to die to learn to live. I would love to watch the films of any of his fights!

Salute "Robert "Mouse" Shaw",

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« Reply #4 on: July 16, 2000, 06:18:00 PM »
 I was lucky enough to meet him at the 97 and 98 WB cons. He's a very humble person, and a very nice man.  I've never seen his book though  

 I think he and HT are friends...


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« Reply #5 on: July 16, 2000, 06:26:00 PM »
I'm speechless...

Damn was a really wonderful fight! When I saw those moves in that Yak I know I was fighting a real expert   Cant remember exactly the fight,all I remember is that it lasted for ages...and the rolling scissors...and the maneouver that put him in my sights...a truly strange one after watching what kind of pilot was.

NOw I know the reason for that move...

I remember,too that I saluted you in the general and got now answer   I thought you had #1 squelched and went private. When you told me that it was a "friend" I was really surprised...what kind of friend can fly that way????

and now I read this...wow...

Salute! Robert Shaw...Was a truly awesome fight!.

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« Reply #6 on: July 16, 2000, 06:54:00 PM »
Bob Shaw just plain rocks.

I met him several years ago when I was flying GEnie Air Warrior with the Flying Squirrels, and then a few more times when going with friends to the US Air and Trade Show in Dayton, OH.  (He autographed my copy of "Fighter Combat." :> )  Great guy, very personable, and what's best, he doesn't look at us hardcore simheads like we're freaks.  He "gets it" like we do.  And while I never have actually seen him fly any sim, it doesn't surprise me he'd start kicking bellybutton after just a few minutes.  

Oh yeah...to all you dweebs I knew in WB, the one, the only, the real Moose is back (as "fpmoose").  Accept no substitutes on your kill list.  



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« Reply #7 on: July 16, 2000, 07:53:00 PM »
Oh yeah, well I was reading his book last night about that time.    (Couldn't connect to the Internet for some reason.   )



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« Reply #8 on: July 16, 2000, 08:02:00 PM »
Very cool Verm! Great book, highly recommended to anybody aint read it.

ACM gives me a headache, sos i fly the buffs,  

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« Reply #9 on: July 16, 2000, 09:26:00 PM »
Great guy for sure...I too hope he'll be at the AH Con this year.  I hope there's a pool table too - wouldn't wanna miss a chance to play Crud with him again  

For anyone interested, here's a couple of places you can get his book...
 http://store.yahoo.com/fsc/figcomtacand1.html
  http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0870210599/o/qid=963801026/sr=2-1/002-69740 54-9004844


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« Reply #10 on: July 16, 2000, 09:51:00 PM »
Heheh,

Great tale Verm. Shaw's book is the bible of acm, and was recommended to me by a Top Gun pilot from Miramar. I'm also stoked to see you weren't kicked out for showing AH at the AW con. Maybe it was due to Mouse being at the controls, heheh. Give me player run cons again, please! Poor iEN just seems to keep shooting themselves in the foot at cons.

Thanks again Verm! Cya up...

 

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« Reply #11 on: July 16, 2000, 10:03:00 PM »
Dang guys! Cool story!

But.... in the future, please, please, please use that record key combination. It would be awesome to play that flight back!

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« Reply #12 on: July 16, 2000, 10:33:00 PM »
Yeah, Mouse is an old Warbird flyer.
Met him at the 99 WB PS Con.  When guys were getting thrown into the pool at Gunjams house, Shaw was the only one who said "wait, let me strip down".  He stripped to his underwear and went then got wet.  Everyone else went in with clothes on, some kicking and fighting, some with grudging acceptance.
(Not me, I ran like a scared rabbit)
Good guy, and he struck some funny poses in his skivies.
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« Reply #13 on: July 17, 2000, 12:29:00 AM »
LOL Verm! Great tale..

I was especially stoked when I read the part about Bob uppin a pony for revenge..

Hehhehhee.. note he didn't up none of that LW crapola or a zeke.. he grabbed a North American Aviation P51D Model Mustang and trashed a buff and a spit... neither easy marks with a pony.  

I'm gettin my tattered ol copy of FC, T&M bronzed.

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« Reply #14 on: July 17, 2000, 01:02:00 AM »
Yep I remember ole mouse
Met him at the 98 WB's Con in Dallas
Believe me ya dont want to get in a turn fight with this guy! he knows all the tricks to gain that extra degree or two too slip in on your six.I conned him into flying H2H with me before the banquet dinner. We musta flew 10 or 15 rounds, he just wouldnt quit untill he beat me     I remember HT kept coming by saying "what? you have'nt beaten him yet!!" heheh    The only thing that saved me was I knew when to break out of the turning fight and I dont think he was used to
the setup he was flying on    
I told him I wanted to fly against him in  the real stuff  but have yet to save the funds to do the Fighter Pilots USA thing
BTW he kept calling me a HO Dweeb? hehe    
I never did get his six position,all my shots
were hi deflection lead turns,cant believe I made them!
yes I'm bragging and yes its true    

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