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« Reply #15 on: October 16, 2002, 08:25:24 AM »
Kinda surprising to me that the guys who wanted KOTH so terribly bad in Aces High are mostly absent from the event altogether.
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« Reply #16 on: October 16, 2002, 08:29:41 AM »
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Kinda surprising to me that the guys who wanted KOTH so terribly bad in Aces High are mostly absent from the event altogether.
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« Reply #17 on: October 16, 2002, 09:06:11 AM »
for me... the fact that there was nothing stopping someone from hiding from the rest until the end of the event killed it for me.  I felt that perhaps last man standing should also have a "kills" rule too.   say you had to have 4 kills or it went to the next to the last man standing and so on.
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« Reply #18 on: October 16, 2002, 10:34:03 AM »
Well KOTH was a Full Realism event in AW so it was only “known” or available to the significantly smaller FR community.  

Having said that I know many people that would gladly participate if they knew about the event and when it was held—promotion for this KOTH has been less than stellar.

Perhaps it could be posted as a pop-up window when you log into the MA/CT arenas…

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« Reply #19 on: October 16, 2002, 10:36:56 AM »
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for me... the fact that there was nothing stopping someone from hiding from the rest until the end of the event killed it for me.


That and the lack of any real mechanism to prevent winging or squad cooperation in an event that claimed to be one big "free for all."  

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« Reply #20 on: October 16, 2002, 11:59:39 AM »
Thanks for the heads up, Hblair.

To be honest; I didn't even know KOTH was still running; I attended the first couple but then I thought it was cancelled due to the TOD's?

Is it ever announced?

Secondly;  I attended every WW and KOTH I could for about four months in the hope that the event(s) would take off and hopefully be duplicated at a more friendly time; that likely hood seems about as remote as ever; and it's hard to remain enthusiastic about getting up on a Saturday at 04:30 my time in the vain hope that one day, timing could be changed. Additionaly, I seem to remember a certain antipathy between the events team and myself at the time which certainly took some of the lustre off the experience.

But that's all just personal crap.

Although it's been a long time since I attended KOTH/WW, I did think there were some weak points, which I'll list. If they've been attended to in the mean time, then just ignore my comments :)

a) The terrain used was too large (the "gladiator bowl" in the DA). It worked for jets, but with anything else you ended up with three small furballs, one over each base, with a bunch of cherry pickers in the middle. Not the huge single furball such events should be.

b) Lack of an alt cap meant that some guys disapeared at the start of each round, only to reappear to finish off wounded/bingo birds at the end. Again; not, in my opinion, in the spirit of the event.

c) Winging. Again, this should (and could) be banned out right from the start. We have an admirable tool in the film viewer for detecting this kind of nonsense, shame it's never used. There were also numerous cases of some dick following people around during the "climb out phase" only to nail their quarry the second "game on!" was announced. Lame in the extreme (IMNSHO); and as fair as I know never suppressed.

d) Uncertainty over settings. It seemed at the time that each CM had his own idea of what the arena settings should be. This I took particular exception to. (Perhaps it's more fair to say that there was no established standard set up, leaving each "CM of the week" to do his best amidst a howl of protest until last weeks settings were replicated).

Basicaly, events (all events) live or die on the atmosphere the engender. I certainly (at the time) gained the impression that the events team looked down greatly upon WW/KOTH for it's lack of role playing and realism when compared to the TOD's, scenario's and similar; and thereby failed to realise that rule breaking (and by implication quality of CM'ing) is at least as important (if not more so) in these kinds of events *precisely* because there is no crutch of immersion to fall back on. The competition its self is everything, and anything that hampers that competativeness (or, to be fair, the perception thereof) is the death of the event. You just will not ever get the best of sticks (such as Drex, Todd, Shane or Laz) turning up if they think they're being set up or cheated, and without the best of sticks the event loses the panache it needs to capture the interest of others. After all, one has to ask what makes these type of furball events more attractive than a TA furball. Do they offer the same level of competition, rate of action and competitor recognition? If not, then why bother?

Then again, it's been quite a while since I attended; so maybe my views on this are obsolete.


In general I think events at large are under publicised; much more use could be made of the MOTD system in the MA; for instance; and as the primary point of WW/KOTH events is bragging rights, more could be made of the out come.

Maybe these types of events are passé these days in an atmosphere of squad and country loyalty and a burning desire to "win the war".

Maybe simply AH doesn't have what it takes to recreate the fun that was to be had in an old Amiga based game. I don't know.

But it'd be sad if that were true.

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« Reply #21 on: October 16, 2002, 12:03:45 PM »
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Having said that I know many people that would gladly participate if they knew about the event and when it was held—promotion for this KOTH has been less than stellar.

Perhaps it could be posted as a pop-up window when you log into the MA/CT arenas…
I was thinking along similar lines - I am sure there are many people who would fly in the KOTH if they knew it was on!.  Only a very small proportion of players ever read the message boards, so there needs to be an alternative method of publicising events like KOTH.  There is Jordi's email list, but there again, people need to know it exists in the first place!  

I think a big difference in AW was the fact that we logged in via a website, and news of upcoming events was plastered all over the login page to catch people's eyes as they logged in to play.... they would see an advert and maybe a link to click to find out more information.....

I'm not saying we should have web-page access to the game :eek: but there certainly needs to be something to catch the eyes of the "passing trade", so to speak.  Something to think about....  :)
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« Reply #22 on: October 16, 2002, 12:06:51 PM »
Never really liked the KOTH in AW. Took too long, not as much fun as some might recall.

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« Reply #23 on: October 16, 2002, 12:37:41 PM »
I heard stories about previous KOTH such as a lot of illegal cooperation between players so that winning wasn't really the solo player accomplishment it was supposed to be.  For a true measure of solo accomplishment I don't imagine you could ever do better  than a dueling ladder.

The Rumble was fun.  I look forward to the next one of those.

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« Reply #24 on: October 16, 2002, 01:09:09 PM »
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Originally posted by lazs2
for me... the fact that there was nothing stopping someone from hiding from the rest until the end of the event killed it for me.
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That and the lack of any real mechanism to prevent winging or squad cooperation in an event that claimed to be one big "free for all."  

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Did ya try it?  Lazs, on at least 3 occasions last Koth I saw people told to get back to the fight.  DMF, of course some winging will occur, some on the sly, and some encouraged (like the goofy host making statements like "ok Tumor has 2 wins... pigpile Tumor"!!)  Overall... it's a heck of allot of fun, even the squeaking :D
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« Reply #25 on: October 16, 2002, 01:19:13 PM »
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I heard stories about previous KOTH such as a lot of illegal cooperation between players so that winning wasn't really the solo player accomplishment it was supposed to be


Winging isn't so much an issue as it once was since the "CM eye" was made available to all the participants. If I see two squaddies chasing someone without shooting one another, I let it be known on open channel. :)

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« Reply #26 on: October 16, 2002, 01:19:33 PM »
Yeah,without mentioning names..I saw winging..Then the next week the other guys winged to get revenge....Then the request to join spams..etc.

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« Reply #27 on: October 16, 2002, 01:24:38 PM »
What we need in the KOTH is a No Handle(only distance) icon setting available to the CM. This would make the event a freeaking blast. Winging would be too much trouble. I hope HT makes this setting (or something similar) available to the CM's for this event.

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« Reply #28 on: October 16, 2002, 01:35:21 PM »
Good point hblair.
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« Reply #29 on: October 16, 2002, 02:34:39 PM »
tumor.. no i didn't try it.   I don't care if people were told to "get back in the fight".   They should have a small area and an alt cap.  referee should disqualify anyone out of bounds...

I see nothing wrong with haveing a minimum kill qualifier.   Don't have a clue as to what you could do to stop winging up.  I'm with DMF tho... not really a free for all.  
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