Are you skilled - or just gaming the game?

[Midnight]

It's a gamey tactic these guys are using to manipulate the flight model of their aircraft beyond what it was phyically capable of doing. I wonder how many of the 'engine goosers' are also flight model whiners?

[Rude]

Originally posted by Widewing


Rude, that simply is not the case. I have in excess of 2,000 hours sitting behind the R-2800 and R-1820. There’s only two ways to suddenly shut off an engine in flight. Moving the mixture to Idle Cut-off or switching off the magnetos. Forget the first one. It would take way too long to shut down and restart using the mixture. This leaves the master mag switch. Yeah you can switch off the mag, but when you switch it back on, one or more of the following WILL occur.

1) Fouled spark plugs due to unburned fuel and/or oil wetting. Assuming most plugs fire, you will still have a misfiring engine and will be down on power. Merlins were notorious for plug fouling at cruise power settings. Pilots would routinely run the engine at military power for several minutes to clear the plugs.
2) Backfire. Frequently destructive to the engine, often blowing exhaust stacks right off.
3) Flooding. Plugs are so wet from unburned fuel that there is no spark. Net result: Dead engine.

Finally, any pilot discovered doing this by his crew chief could expect a close encounter with a ball peen hammer.  

My regards,

Widewing

From one RL pilot to another, !

Now, I don't really know how a WW2 Aircraft would shut down or start up other than what I could read...however, I did ask my pilot bud who has logged over 20,000 hrs and owns a warbird, and he explained to me that it can be done.

Out side of this explanation, I'm ignorant.

As to players who choose to use this technique to their advantage, I figure I have three choices:

1. Learn to do it myself to even the odds

2. E fight them rather than knife fight them

3. Ignore the issue, play the game and try to enjoy myself.

In my particular instance, I have done all three while making my home number three.

Is Midnight wrong in what he says about it being gamey? Probably not.

Are there other gamey ways to gain an advantage in AH?
Probably so.

Should we all be surprised that gamey things exist in a game?
I don't think so.

Cyas Up!

[mason22]

heh, supposedly that MChammer guy has mAd sKiLlZ...he can lay the shizzy down on the lizzy and bring his mad icey HOT stuntAz bling bling to the hood.

or sumthin.

[Samiam]

I have to agree with midnight Target on this. If you want to "Fly as they really would have flown":

When you get killed, uninstall AH and never play again. Oh, and someone else gets to decide what plane you will fly until you get killed and never play again.

Or, admit it's a game, fly whatever dills-your-pickle, respawn and don't begrudge those who fly their plane of choice the way they want to fly it.

[-ammo-]

Originally posted by Drex


Don't agree.  There are to many variables in combat to give a definitive statement like that.  It can be easily disproven.


Drex

You think you know something, but you don't:D

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by Drex
This has nothing to do with realism, cutting engines, blah blah blah.  It has everything to do with fame or shame.    

Drex

Basically what my post said, though you said it more eloquently.

[Fariz]

Originally posted by Midnight


So what am I supposed to do? Fly the Mustang against superior numbers in a Co-E state? Yeah.. that would mean me being shot down instead of them. Maybe if I was in an N1K I would have started turn fighting everything.

This is what makes you a good pilot eventially, fighting against odds, from the disadvantage and in inferior plane. I find it very enjoyable expirience also, but I understand, that people wants different from this game, so fly whatever way you like, it is ok with me. Just let me fly the way which I enjoy, too.

[Voss]

Midnight, you can increase your k/t by another 50% by involving yourself in something rooks are hard pressed to find. MISSIONS.

Fester has been running Pony missions the last few days, and while I was reluctant at first I discovered it was not hurting my k/t any at all (aside from the killshooter from bombing/rocketing a hangar that a bishop flew near). I was accused, by a rook, of fighting a peripheral fight. Well, it must have really hurt his ego to be killed by a low and slow P51 fighting a peripheral fight right over the field and at least six flaks. I think WideWing can attest to the effectiveness of rockets against a Flak.

[moose]

It's smart-mouth, low-brow comments from people like you that make constructive debates turn into mud slinging contests. Do me a favor and take your imbecility somewhere else.

So coming in here and implying that anyone who cuts their engine is skilless and deserves no respect isn't making the above statement hypocritical?

Cripes.

[-ammo-]

Originally posted by Rude



Are there other gamey ways to gain an advantage in AH?
Probably so.

Should we all be surprised that gamey things exist in a game?
I don't think so.

Cyas Up!

Heya my friend.  My personal opinion is "who cares" about how someone flys in the MA. But the orginal question was based on a rule for the KOTH that disallowed the use of the practice of cutting and restarting your engine in competition.  That I agree with.  However Wildthing (and likely others) want that rule out the window:)

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by Fariz


This is what makes you a good pilot eventially, fighting against odds, from the disadvantage and in inferior plane. I find it very enjoyable expirience also, but I understand, that people wants different from this game, so fly whatever way you like, it is ok with me. Just let me fly the way which I enjoy, too.

The best post in this thread, hopefully Midnight can get turn his head for one moment while admiring his reflection and really read what you wrote.

[SirLoin]

They should make ALL the planes go through the engine start sequence..Not just SOME of them.

I toggle my engine,never use the throttle wheel...If you don't like it..that's because I just shot you down.

[Midnight]

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[SirLoin]

Originally posted by Oedipus
[B
 I don't like it because it smacks of "Arcade"

Oed [/B]

Your comments smacks of whine.

[hblair]

Originally posted by Oedipus
p.s.  

 How about one of you AW/BWers ask Earl Miller if he would have shut down his fighters engine in flight - let alone in combat.

Oed

And while you're at it ask him if he could take his head off his shoulders and set it on the dash facing backwards to get a good six view.

Guys, this engine kill thing isn't as big a deal as ya might wish it was. Most of the guys who use it would kill you anyways, this just makes it faster. So actually they're saving you the time of thinking you might get away and just killing you right off the bat. They're actually helping you.