Is the Tempest really better than the La7?

[Urchin]

I don't have much experience in the Tempest, but I fly the La7 occasionally.  How is the Tempest better, other than the obvious fact that is has probably 3 times as much firepower?

Played around in the DA some with a few people, below 5k it seemed the La7 utterly dominated the Tempest.  At the high alt field it was a much closer fight, ending with a slow speed scissors and a collision.  I think the floor of the high alt field is 11k or so.  So is the Tempest really only better if the La7 literally CAN'T get below 10k?

Who has experience flying both of them?  I really am curious to see how they stack up against one another.  I know the Tempest's strengths are its acceleration and top speed, with its manueverability being quite good but not really on par with a P51.  The La7 has the same strengths.  Will the Tempest really out-perform the La7 in a dogfight?

[Voss]

No, I don't think it's better. It has other uses. The Tempest is a better handling Typhoon with a little more ammo and sans rockets. Under certain circumstances it can outrun an La7, but don't depend on it.

[Pongo]

Yes. and your just whining

[Voss]

No offense Pongo, but I have not been able to establish that you have ANY experience in the Tempest at all. Did you respond just to take a cheap shot at Urchin?

[J_A_B]

If this thread isn't just a troll:

The Tempest has vastly better firepower, as noted.  In addition, the Tempest pilot has the option to increase his ammo load by firing only 2 guns at a time, the LA7 pilot cannot do this.

The TEMP is as fast or faster at all altitudes.  It is substantially faster than the LA7 at 4-10K and above 15,000 feet.  The Tempest is marginally faster even at sea level (about 5 MPH).  A smart Tempest pilot would stay at 3500 or higher.   In addition to sheer speed, the Tempest zooms better than the LA7 and holds "E" better overall.

Climbrate is about even at sea level.  The Tempest gains signifigant climb superiority above 3000 feet.

Turning ability for the two planes is similar; however the Tempest doesn't "fight" the pilot as much in slow turns as the LA7 does.

Neither plane has great range but the Tempest has options for droptanks...the LA7 has no such option.   The Tempest also has a decent bombload, while the LA7 is useless for A2G.   In my experience the Tempest is also noticably tougher than the LA7.

Overall, I am hard pressed to think of a way in which the Tempest does NOT outperform the LA7.

J_A_B

[Urchin]

Jab, that is the kind of thing I was looking for.  

Does the Tempest out accelerate the La7 too?  I know it is a little bit faster on the deck, but acceleration is what would make the difference in a close fight (well, if the Tempest decided to leave anyway).  

I'm not sure the Tempest has a significant climbing advantage on the deck.  I was playing around with Nimitz earlier tonight, it seemed as though the Tempest didn't really start pulling away until about 5k.

[J_A_B]

As noted above, on the deck the TEMP and LA7 are about even in speed and climbrate.  Above 3000 feet the TEMP is definately superior in both attributes.

Acceleration is related to climb rate and is also affected by speed.   At sea level I'd expect them to be about equal with the Tempest gaining the advantage above 3000 feet or so.  Under 2000 feet I'd rate these fighters as equals, with E state and pilot skill being the deciding factor.

Altitude is VERY important for the Tempest with regards to speed.  In general:  Below 3500 feet, and from 9-14K the Tempest is only marginally faster than the LA7.  Do not try to run at these altitudes.  



I think of the LA7 in Aces High almost as if it's a dedicated "perk killer" plane.  It has a small ammo load, pitifully short range, virtually no A2G capability and loses its advantages over 15000 feet.....but it has the sheer performance to meet the perk fighters on nearly equal footing and is probably the best ride for chasing down the perk fighters.  Heck, the LA7 probably WOULD be perked if the MA didn't have the fuel multiplier.

If I was flying a Tempest (or any perk fighter), I'd make it a priority to kill LA7's first.

J_A_B

[Karnak]

I just make it my priority to leave if there is an La-7 anywhere in the area.  The tactics needed to kill an La-7 leave you utterly vulnerable to every Spit, N1K2 or 109 in the area.

I will not engage an La-7 below 15,000ft in any perk plane, save the Me262.

[SELECTOR]

in the real world the tempest is better:D



please clip my spit wings

[Kweassa]

The AH Tempest "out turns" the AH La-7, much in the simular way the AH Typhoon "out turns" the AH Bf109G-2(surprising, ain't it? ).

 Not many people have a chance to really check this aspect of the Tempest in the MA since the Tempest is rarely used in the first place, and it would be suicidal to stay with the enemy and turn with him in a 70 point plane. However, in the H2H there are a lot of geeks in free Tempests, and you have a lot of chance to try and pitch it against various planes.

 Of course, this would greatly rely on how you define "out turning". I never bothered to really film a typical La-7 vs Tempy H2H fight so I am not sure, however, my impression is that it isn't really necessarily "out turning" in radius. However, the frickin' raw power of the plane makes various management of the turn circle  much easier for the Tempy.

 In the long run, the Tempies grab distinct chances for lobbing lead shots against the La-7. In a flat circle turn contest, both  very low in E and bellies scratching the ground, I have seen many times the Tempest finally gaining on the La-7's 6'Oc and blasting it away to kingdom come. As I have noted, the same thing happens when a Bf109G-2 meets a Typhoon.

 ..

 This brings up a frickin' question. Typhoons and Tempies are known to be fast. No problem with that. But how was their maneuverability? If the base maneuverability sucks in the first place such delicate issues such as the differences of raw engine  power and acceleration won't be good enough to allow the Tempy to gain on a La-7 in a turn contest.

 In short, Typhoons and Tempies turn about as well as the La-7. The La-7 is not an exceptional turner. At high speed the La-7 has somewhat an advantage in turning, but in low speeds the Tempies seem to turn better.

 So, how did those Tempies and Typhies maneuver in real life? I don't recall any sort of comparison between the contemporary fighters with those two aircraft. All I ever heard was the "Typhoon sucked, and the Tempest was fast".

 I can't even imagine how it would pit when a turn contest would happen against a 190 or a 109. The classic EAW was pretty much porked in FM, very generous towards RAF planes(and stingy against USAAF and LW planes), but the Tempies and Typhies depicted in that game lacked horribly in any sort of maneuvering requiring the elevators.

 ...

 Can anyone clarify me on this ?

[Wilbus]

In my experience the Tempest is also noticably tougher than the LA7.

I agree on everything you say but that, LA7 can, in my experience take alot more punishment, mu experience though.

As for acceleration, Tempest accelerates slightly faster but not very much. (can't remember exact times but I did tests).

[Samm]

Is the tempest 70perk points better than the la7 ?

[Wotan]

sure it is perks arent money, what are ya saving umm for?

[straffo]

@Kweassa

in a typhoon with speed you can out-turn a La7 in the first 180° after you're toast if you didn't landed any hispano on it during this part of the virage ...

[Wilbus]

Straff, tiffie beats 190 A5 in low speed turns, 190 A5 beats LA7 in low speed turns. Tiffie beats both.