Author Topic: Is the Tempest really better than the La7? (Read 1244 times)

straffo · « **Reply #15 on:** October 21, 2002, 06:17:14 AM »

Now I'm sure : I suck

In my experience I'll anyway get shot down before entering the final part of my turn so it don't matter

btw by slow speed you mean < 200 ?

I'm rarely at this speed except when landing

Wilbus · « **Reply #16 on:** October 21, 2002, 06:46:06 AM »

Yes Straffo, I mean around 200 or lower

If the 190 A5 can get slow enough to extend flaps it will probarly win, unless tiffie can use flaps too.

In my experience, both while flying Tiffie and while flying 190 A5 (2 gunned) a Normally loaded (not fully fueld etc) Tiffie will, in a long fight outturn the 190 A5, it's not by much but it will in a sustained turn fight.

190 A5 will most likely outturn the LA7 but I am not sure, I've done a few times.

Wilbus · « **Reply #17 on:** October 21, 2002, 06:46:50 AM »

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I'm rarely at this speed except when landing

Shows you're smart, not suicidal like I am.

straffo · « **Reply #18 on:** October 21, 2002, 07:07:03 AM »

It just mean that I get shot down early

And I'm not smart or I won't take off from a vulched field in a 100% typhoon with 2 1000lbs (I hate flying naked:))

mw · « **Reply #19 on:** October 21, 2002, 07:55:10 AM »

AFDU Tactical trials - Tempest V

Urchin · « **Reply #20 on:** October 21, 2002, 09:20:10 AM »

I don't think the Typhoon and Tempest were unmanueverable in real life.

I seem to recall that the Typhoon was judged 'unworthy' as a fighter because it wasn't very good at high altitudes (like above 15k). I know at low level they were used to kill Fw190s that made low level raids on England.

The 190A5 can't out turn an La7 to the best of my knowledge. At least not in an extended tail-chase circle scenario.

Also, JAB, were you in a Tempest and you ran into a La7 at 9-14k.. you could probably climb away from it. And accelerate away to, I should think.

Pongo · « **Reply #21 on:** October 21, 2002, 10:28:14 AM »

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Originally posted by Voss
No offense Pongo, but I have not been able to establish that you have ANY experience in the Tempest at all. Did you respond just to take a cheap shot at Urchin?

None taken voss.
did you see if I have any La7 experiance?

Kweassa · « **Reply #22 on:** October 21, 2002, 10:38:44 AM »

Thx for the great info, mw!

Comparison with the Typhoon:
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Turning Circle
18. Very Similar. Any difference appears to be in favour of the Typhoon. This is too slight to alter combat tactics.

Rate of Roll
19. The Tempest has the better rate of roll at all speeds

Comparison with the Mustang III
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Turning Circle
28. The Tempest is not quite as good as the Mustang III.

Rate of Roll
29. The Tempest is not so good. This attribute may be improved upon later aircraft with re-designed ailerons

Comparison with the Spit14
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Turning Circle
35. The Spitfire XVI easily out-turns the Tempest.

Rate of Roll
36. The Spitfire XIV rolls faster at speeds below 300 mph, but definitely more slowly at speeds greater than 350.00 mph.

Comparison with the Fw190(BMW801D)
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Turning Circles
41. There is very little difference in turning circles between the two aircraft. If anything a very slight advantage lies with the Tempest.

Rate of Roll
42. The Tempest V cannot compare with the FW 190.

Comparison with the Me109G
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Turning Circle
47. The Tempest is slightly better, the Me.109G being embarrassed by its slots opening near the stall.

Rate of Roll
48. At normal speeds there is nothing in it, but at speeds over 350 mph the Tempest could get away from the Me.109G by making a quick change of bank and direction.

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* On no account must the trimming wheel be used to prevent it doing so, but only backward pressure on the stick. When the aircraft has reached a lower altitude where the speed of sound is greater, the aircraft will come out of the compressibility range and behave normally, being pulled out of the dive. Had the trimming wheel been used to prevent the nose dropping when in the compressibility range, there would have been a very sudden nose-up tendency on coming out of the compressibility range. The result of a such a sudden change of trim is liable to cause structural failure.

* The ailerons have less tendency to stiffen up especially at speeds oover 350 mph, where it will out-roll any Spitfire.

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Quite interesting indeed! Which 190 and which 109G are they talking about here?? Mustang III turns better than the Tempest, and the Tempest turns better than the 109G?? In AH, no P-51 turns better than any of the 109s(the Mustang III is the P-51B, isn't it?)... Also the trim issue and the roll issue.. better try and test this myself..

I don't think Tempests out roll a Spitfire in AH.. either the Spitfire rolls much too fast, or the Tempest rolls too slow.. or maybe a little bit of both??

Urchin · « **Reply #23 on:** October 21, 2002, 12:36:26 PM »

Our P-51D will out-turn a 109G2 if there is a really good stick in the P-51. It seems to fight you a little more though. That could just be because I'm far more comfortable in the 109 than the P51.

You have to use flaps in the P-51, and get slow. Problem with that is that once you get to slow, the 109 can take the fight vertical and there is nothing you can do about it.

minus · « **Reply #24 on:** October 21, 2002, 12:40:26 PM »

well what about lavockin planes , :-)
how i systematicly precise i only living in france but born , rised , served CSSR more precisely Slovakia , vas profesional military ,like any generation before in my family, born at Ocova, who is some jump form 3 Duby , why that all ????????

becose the end of the ww2 slovak pepz fighted back on german forces , the soviet give some of LA5 FN to the SNP <==< the bunch of pepz vs germans > the fight last only fiew months but got some original fotos and stories, for exaple , some P 51 D with Yelow tail marking just decidet to beleve the slovak La5 FN with the SNP insignia is a german something , whateer la5 pilot tryed pony just run for the kill on him , the agresion finished with the pony badly shot up and have to ditched , sure, any who ever put hand on La 5 plane , sayed the plane was realy agile, but it have some problems , it do not liked to be stresed at high speeds at all , do no if is it only anecdotal but some of them precised , faster u fly more the plane refuse fly straith

another thing , the landing , many source mentioned that it was hazardous even more from the AVIA CS 199 landing < ex bf 109 >and for the last about copkit visibility no 1 ever coplained on the diference when they switched to CS199

sory no time for grama so take your time to get the clue

Wilbus · « **Reply #25 on:** October 21, 2002, 12:53:14 PM »

Really didn't get all too much of what you said Minus

minus · « **Reply #26 on:** October 21, 2002, 01:23:44 PM »

well the story , becose the place 3 Duby is where the boroved La5 fn was so , the sources are from people who fly them

Furball · « **Reply #27 on:** October 21, 2002, 01:38:54 PM »

here:-

http://user.tninet.se/~ytm843e/tempest.htm

Voss · « **Reply #28 on:** October 21, 2002, 01:45:21 PM »

Urchin, be warned: A Tempest that is heavy with fuel can be overtaken by an La7 with low fuel, it can be out zoomed, and it can be out turned. Nothing is for certain in the MA.

udet · « **Reply #29 on:** October 21, 2002, 02:40:23 PM »

lemme tell u something. I fly H2H so I can fly the Temp whenever i feel like it. I have plenty of experience in it. La-7 is MUCH better than the Temp, in turning and acceleration and climbing. It can catch a Temp, in level flight,at sea level. La7 whould be perked more than the Tempest.